Gore vs Bush, electoral College, and all that Jazz

JerryLove · 09-07-2003, 10:05 PM

1. "liberals" are not simply after state power. I have no problem with state power and I'm a liberal.

2. Bush won the national electoral college... there should be no doubt and no argument. It was clear. The two issues are as follows:

A. Did Florida behave correctly in voting for Bush, or did the actual will of the people of Florida mean that the Florida Electors should have voted Gore.

B. Do we want a system where some people get more vote than others.

I think that Florida did fail its people (weather it would have ended up Bush or Gore) by having an outdated and error-prone election system. One the vote was cast, we had no choice but to try. I do also know that many local republican groups (and possibly some deomcratic groups, though I know of none personally) inetrfered with the voting itsef... which I think amounts to high treason...

maadio · 09-10-2003, 08:13 AM

I still want to know why it's somehow ok and not biased at all to want to recount only the predominantly liberal portions of Florida... because that sure is what Al Gore called for. He kept talking about "making sure everyone's vote counts" and then allowing the votes of all the Republicans who may have had dimpled chads and corner chads, et cetera to go to waste.

Or is it that only Liberals can't figure out how to pull a lever?

JerryLove · 09-10-2003, 08:21 AM

The issue was involving a specific area of the state (predominantly Democratic) where two events happend... firtsly, there were accusations of a campaign by local republican groups to stop people fom voting (puttin gup false signs directing to wrong locations and the like). The second is that one of the non-major candidates, the one with his dimple right next to Gore's and with his name right across from Gore's Dimple, got an in0orrdinate percentage of votes in that one district... even he did not believe those votes were his.

That said, this was not a national issue; it was properly an issue for the State of Florida... The electoral college is not required to vote with the population by national law and it is the electorial college that actually elects the president.

maadio · 09-10-2003, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

That said, this was not a national issue; it was properly an issue for the State of Florida... The electoral college is not required to vote with the population by national law and it is the electorial college that actually elects the president.

Good point. 'Nuff said, I suppose.

guyforGod · 09-29-2003, 06:08 AM

C'mon guys, agree with Charlie. He's from Israel. We all know they know how to run a peaceful, unified country over there.....

Than · 10-05-2003, 08:34 PM

It's not as if this is the first time a President has won without the popular vote, and I'm sure it won't be the last. Abraham Lincoln was elected with only 40% of the pop. vote.

Jonular · 10-06-2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie

The issue whether Bush won with the current system is debatable.

Wanna elaborate on that some more? Exactly how did you come to that conclusion?

Just in case you've been living under a rock over there for a few years, the electoral college voted for Bush. That's all that matters, with the way that it works in the United States.

~Jon

***Art*** · 10-07-2003, 01:46 AM

Jon, he is simply convinced that Jeb Bush fixed the Florida election so that George would win.

Mike Graham · 10-07-2003, 09:14 AM

That does not matter, as has been pointed out time and again, the electors do not have to follow the electorate.

JerryLove · 10-07-2003, 10:19 AM

It does matter... it just doesnt mater nationally... it matters to Florida weather there was tampering in our election system.

Jonular · 10-07-2003, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Art

Jon, he is simply convinced that Jeb Bush fixed the Florida election so that George would win.

Heh. So Charlie, how did you come to that conclusion? What supports that?

~Jon

***Art*** · 10-07-2003, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

It does matter... it just doesnt mater nationally... it matters to Florida weather there was tampering in our election system.

I have not seen any evidence that the election was tampered with in florida by the republican party... if there is any, please tell me where I can view it.

JerryLove · 10-08-2003, 07:17 AM

I didn't say they did, and I didn't say they didn't. I said it matters weather there was tampering. Do a google search on "tamper florida election" and you'll get 3,580 hits mostly discussing voter tampering and accusations of voter tampering. I make no claim whatsoever as to weather it occured or in what manner.

Since it amounts to an opinion poll, I don't see that it's a national issue either way; unless one wants to argue that the constitutional requirement for states to be republican in government has in some way been violated.

fifsuperpod37 · 10-31-2003, 02:06 PM

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C'mon guys, agree with Charlie. He's from Israel. We all know they know how to run a peaceful, unified country over there.....

Actually, Israel is very well run. It's hard to have a peaceful united state when you have people hellbent on destroying each other entirely. (note, not all the people think this way, but more than enough of them do)

Bryan · 11-08-2003, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

That said, this was not a national issue; it was properly an issue for the State of Florida... The electoral college is not required to vote with the population by national law and it is the electorial college that actually elects the president.

correct me if I am wrong, but, I believe that the only requirement by the US Constitution for choosing the members of the electoral college is that a general election must be held. But the details of how the members are chosen up to the states. A state could choose to have its state congressmen vote and make that choice, or the governer could make that choice. It depends on the state.