[nestamanchris]

Originally Posted by Travis

The PCUSA is apostate.

It's apostate based solely on your opinions and Biblical interpretations. Instead of constantly and arrogantly bashing any and everything that doesn't fit your limited spectrum of theological beliefs, why don't you try building up the community of believers for once?

Edit: I'm certain you'll try to turn this into a theology debate, but it's a futile effort based on your views of inerrancy/infallibility and my more non-literalist views. Save your time and energy, I'm on here very rarely these days anyway.

[Mike Graham]

nestamanchris: Stick around, we really need a liberal here.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by nestamanchris

I'm certain you'll try to turn this into a theology debate, but it's a futile effort based on your views of inerrancy/infallibility and my more non-literalist views.

Thanks for proving my point about the PCUSA's apostacy.

[Chrysostom]

(nestamanchris) It's apostate based solely on your opinions and Biblical interpretations.

(Me) If you'd like, check out J. Gresham Machen's Christianity and Liberalism. It's a worthwhile read.



(nestamanchris) Instead of constantly and arrogantly bashing any and everything that doesn't fit your limited spectrum of theological beliefs, why don't you try building up the community of believers for once?

(Me) Paul exhorted us to rebuke and correct false doctrine. The errors of the majority of the PCUSA are not to be left unchecked. They are hurting souls.



(nestamanchris) Edit: I'm certain you'll try to turn this into a theology debate, but it's a futile effort based on your views of inerrancy/infallibility

(Me) That the Scripture was written by men carried along by God, so all Scripture is God-breathed? That His Word is Truth? That the Scripture cannot be broken? Do you take issue with these facts?



(nestamanchris) Save your time and energy, I'm on here very rarely these days anyway.

(Me) Please don't have the "I'm going to pick up my toys and go home" attitude, especially on your first post in a thread.

[nestamanchris]

Originally Posted by Travis

Thanks for proving my point about the PCUSA's apostacy.

You're welcome. My point was that you're 100% inerrantist. I'm not.

That the Scripture was written by men carried along by God, so all Scripture is God-breathed? That His Word is Truth? That the Scripture cannot be broken? Do you take issue with these facts?

I don't find it necessary to defend myself here, but I will for the sake of not being labeled a heretic (which seems to happen quite easily on these boards). I believe the Scriptures are the living Word of God, though transcribed by the hand of man. My faith doesn't rest wholly upon the book, but upon the triune God who, through his boundless and unmistakable grace, allowed humanity salvation undeserved. I fully agree that the Bible is the single greatest truth we can rest upon.

Paul exhorted us to rebuke and correct false doctrine. The errors of the majority of the PCUSA are not to be left unchecked. They are hurting souls.

No corner of the church is left to be unchecked, IMO. Every denomination, without a doubt PCUSA included, is imperfect in their doctrine. As Evagrius of Pontus said, "God cannot be grasped by the mind. If he could be grasped, he would not be God." We are limited by our own misunderstandings and are incapable of fully knowing God. We're all hurting souls by claiming false doctrine.

Please don't have the "I'm going to pick up my toys and go home" attitude, especially on your first post in a thread.

I apologize if that came off the wrong way. I've been out of town frequently this summer. In fact, I'll be gone again from Friday until next Tuesday or Wednesday. Like I said, I'm here (CGR) very rarely these days, for that reason among others, period.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by nestamanchris

You're welcome. My point was that you're 100% inerrantist. I'm not.

So how do you decide what is in error and what is not?

[Chrysostom]

(Previous) That the Scripture was written by men carried along by God, so all Scripture is God-breathed? That His Word is Truth? That the Scripture cannot be broken? Do you take issue with these facts?

(nestamanchris) I don't find it necessary to defend myself here, but I will for the sake of not being labeled a heretic (which seems to happen quite easily on these boards). I believe the Scriptures are the living Word of God, though transcribed by the hand of man. My faith doesn't rest wholly upon the book, but upon the triune God who, through his boundless and unmistakable grace, allowed humanity salvation undeserved. I fully agree that the Bible is the single greatest truth we can rest upon.

(Me) I am confused on two fronts. First, in that you say that "the Scriptures are the living Word of God," but you are not "100% inerrantist." How can you say that God makes errors? I submit that you do not really believe that the Bible is truly the Word of God, but instead believe it an errant human re-telling of the Word of God.

Second, in that you say "that the Bible is the single greatest truth we can rest upon," but you are not "100% inerrantist." That must mean that there is a greater truth than the Bible, since it would otherwise be without error. It must also mean that you have some kind of knowledge (however small it may be) of this greater truth, since you are aware of it and are aware that the Scripture is not up to its level. Why, then, do you not "rest upon" it? I submit that you actually do rest upon an authority you consider greater, and that authority is the autonomous human intellect -- flawed, fallen, human reason.




(Previous) Paul exhorted us to rebuke and correct false doctrine. The errors of the majority of the PCUSA are not to be left unchecked. They are hurting souls.

(nestamanchris) No corner of the church is left to be unchecked, IMO. Every denomination, without a doubt PCUSA included, is imperfect in their doctrine.

(Me) Of course.


(nestamanchris) As Evagrius of Pontus said, "God cannot be grasped by the mind. If he could be grasped, he would not be God." We are limited by our own misunderstandings and are incapable of fully knowing God. We're all hurting souls by claiming false doctrine.

(Me) And..? Part of "building up the community of believers" is protecting them from gross error. Your comments here are beside my own, rather than continuing the dialogue.