Grudem's Systematic Theology....

Joel · 07-22-2003, 10:41 AM

Now I realize he is a dispensationalist, so just overlook that. How is he?? Is he a Calvinist??

I am asking because I just got the book Saturday (birthday gift :kcool: :kcool: ), and I am hoping he is a Calvinist. If he is, then all the rest of his doctrine should be relatively good. If not, then his doctrine could be garbage (though there are some exceptions to that).

Mike Graham · 07-22-2003, 10:52 AM

I've heard him refered to as reformed before, so I would definately guess he is calvinist.

MisterAgreeable · 07-22-2003, 10:55 AM

I've known dispie Calvinists. I can't think of anything in Calvinistic soiterology that discounts dispensationalism. It's certainly not typical of Calvinists, but not unheard of.

Coop Cooper · 07-22-2003, 10:58 AM

You should read Bahnsen's "Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism" he addresses the compatibility of calvinism and dispensationalism........

MisterAgreeable · 07-22-2003, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Coop Cooper

You should read Bahnsen's "Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism" he addresses the compatibility of calvinism and dispensationalism........

I own this book, and it's an impressive refutation of dispensationalism, though I don't recall it placing the two beliefs in opposition. I've never heard of the book you're referring to. Do you know if it's still in print?

Mike Graham · 07-22-2003, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterAgreeable

I've known dispie Calvinists. I can't think of anything in Calvinistic soiterology that discounts dispensationalism. It's certainly not typical of Calvinists, but not unheard of.

yeah, the original poster's dad for example

**Chrysostom** · 07-22-2003, 11:54 AM

(MisterAgreeable) I've known dispie Calvinists. I can't think of anything in Calvinistic soiterology that discounts dispensationalism.

(Me) Other than a solid commitment to the teaching of the Bible :klol: :ktongue: :kangel:

Coop Cooper · 07-22-2003, 02:14 PM

My bad, the book was written by Gertsner.....I think I wrote Bahnsen, cause his name is in another thread....sorry. Anyway Gertsner spends chapters asserting that to consistently hold to dispensationalism leads to a denial of all 5 pts of calvinist soteriology, and he does a good job of it. The book is available @ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...993958-0044618

WooTang · 07-22-2003, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mustbenothing

(Me) Other than a solid commitment to the teaching of the Bible :klol: :ktongue: :kangel:

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Originally Posted by Joel

Is he a Calvinist??

Yes, definitely. I have a friend who goes to his church, and he said that he was. Also, in the dedication page at the front of the book, he mentions his Reformed Theology.

Joel · 07-22-2003, 04:09 PM

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I've known dispie Calvinists. I can't think of anything in Calvinistic soiterology that discounts dispensationalism. It's certainly not typical of Calvinists, but not unheard of.

Yes, I used to be one, and, as gethedge pointed out so excellently, my father is one.

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Yes, definitely. I have a friend who goes to his church, and he said that he was. Also, in the dedication page at the front of the book, he mentions his Reformed Theology.

Ah, excellent. Now, if he is a Baptist, I will be extremely enthusiastic about reading it.

I am already though, because Piper has a recommendation on the back of the book.

Mike Graham · 07-22-2003, 05:10 PM

You know, there's no harm in reading systematic theologies you disagree with.

Mike Graham · 07-22-2003, 07:57 PM

ATTN JOEL:

Your PM box was full. I was wondering if you would be willing to edit my case for credobaptism. It is going to be kind of long, and I won't be offended if you do not want to or anything.

~Mike

Joel · 07-22-2003, 09:21 PM

I'll go and delete some of my old PM's then. Indeed, I would be more than happily willing to help you in your case for Credobaptism. If you PM me tonight, I will have all day tomorrow to do it, which would be best. I will be gone all day Thursday though (golfing with a buddy of mine), so tonight or tomorrow would be best.

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You know, there's no harm in reading systematic theologies you disagree with.

That is true, but at this point in time, I am reading more to the extent of affirming my beliefs, not to learn more about the position's I stand against. I do disagree with him on some aspects anyway (eschatology), so I will have to confront that when I get to it.

Mike Graham · 07-22-2003, 09:36 PM

What does he and what do you believe eschatologically? Besides, do not affirm your beliefs, seek truth. It is not a matter of mere learning about other beliefs, but considering them. We should care about the truth, even when it si difficult.

Thanks, that means a lot to me. I am not done with my case, and I'm not concentrating well tongiht. I might be able to send it off tomarrow. You are awesome! Rep points for Joel!

Mike Graham · 07-22-2003, 09:37 PM

I guess since he is dispy, he must be disp premil. Silly me.