Roman Catholicism

Travis · 06-23-2003, 08:41 AM

What is the official position of the PCA and OPC regarding the Roman Catholic church. Are they considered a Christian denomination or are they considered a synogoge of Satan, as the Westminster Confession of Faith puts it?

Spoken4 · 06-23-2003, 09:44 AM

Ouch. That's kinda harsh isn't it? I'm not sure about any "official classification," but I know they belive in the same core values as other Christians. They belive that Christ came and died for us. They may have a different approach to a lot of issues, but the main issues are there.

Travis · 06-23-2003, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Spoken4

Ouch. That's kinda harsh isn't it? I'm not sure about any "official classification," but I know they belive in the same core values as other Christians. They belive that Christ came and died for us. They may have a different approach to a lot of issues, but the main issues are there.

I didn't ask for your opinion or the opinion of any other individual poster, nor did I ask even for the opinion of God given in Scripture--I asked for the official position of the PCA and OPC Churches. That's why it's in the Presbyterian forum and not the Theology forum.

**Athanasius** · 06-23-2003, 01:29 PM

I know that a believing RCC woman married an OPC man and converted to the reformed faith. I believe the man actually became a pastor.

They (the presbytery) wanted to rebaptize her...and in fact, did not allow her to be a member of the church because she refused rebaptism.

Effin' anabaptistic morons.

This is second-hand, so I can't provide more info...sorry.

Luke · 06-23-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

What is the official position of the PCA and OPC regarding the Roman Catholic church. Are they considered a Christian denomination or are they considered a synogoge of Satan, as the Westminster Confession of Faith puts it?

The PCA says that it is up to the individual churches and presbyteries. The translated version of that is that we can't agree on it nationally.

Grace & Peace
Luke

Luke · 06-23-2003, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoken4

Ouch. That's kinda harsh isn't it? I'm not sure about any "official classification," but I know they belive in the same core values as other Christians. They belive that Christ came and died for us. They may have a different approach to a lot of issues, but the main issues are there.

Except the whole salvation by grace alone thing...

Grace & Peace
Luke

Luke · 06-23-2003, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysReforming

I know that a believing RCC woman married an OPC man and converted to the reformed faith. I believe the man actually became a pastor.

They (the presbytery) wanted to rebaptize her...and in fact, did not allow her to be a member of the church because she refused rebaptism.

Effin' anabaptistic morons.

This is second-hand, so I can't provide more info...sorry.

I wouldn't think the OPC would be stupid or contraversial enough to refuse membership to an ordained OPC minister's wife over something so trivial.

Of course, I've known the OPC to do some really anal and asinine things, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

Grace & Peace
Luke

Spoken4 · 06-23-2003, 04:12 PM

Sorry Travis. My first post and already I've gotten myself lost...

So much for my first impression
Though I'm a little currious about why you want to know what Westminster Confession of Faith has to say, but but weren't looking for

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even for the opinion of God given in Scripture

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Sorry if i came off as a little defensive; I've been dating a Catholic for the last 6 months, so I'm a little biased

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Luke · 06-23-2003, 04:32 PM

It's perfectly valid to ask what the Scriptures say (although they are definitely against Catholic doctrine also), but the fact is that he was asking for the Presbyterian denomination's position, which is why it's posted here and not in the Theology forum. There are reasons why one would want to know their own denomination's position, and Travis certainly isn't one to go with what the Presbyterian church says just because the Presbyterian church says so (ironically enough, only the Catholic church claims such authority).

Grace & Peace
Luke

Travis · 06-23-2003, 05:31 PM

Yeah, I definitely value the teachings of Scripture above all, I was just wondering what position the PCA and OPC actually took.

It seems to me that The Confession, unless it has been modified, makes it quite clear that the Roman Catholic church is not considered a Christian church at all.

Btw, I'm going to be posting something on this subject in the near future in Theology.

Luke · 06-23-2003, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Yeah, I definitely value the teachings of Scripture above all, I was just wondering what position the PCA and OPC actually took.

It seems to me that The Confession, unless it has been modified, makes it quite clear that the Roman Catholic church is not considered a Christian church at all.

Btw, I'm going to be posting something on this subject in the near future in Theology.

The Confession is quite clear in its opinion, but this is one of the areas where we 21st century Presbyterians are inclined to think that the Westminter Divines were overreacting. I mean, they also called the pope the antichrist...

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Luke

Travis · 06-23-2003, 06:49 PM

Perhaps.

Although, how did they mean that? Surely not in the premil eschatology sense, right? Weren't they saying merely that it is anti - Christ--that is it against Christ?

Here's my post about the RCC, btw: http://www.christianguitar.org/forum...&postid=853738

Luke · 06-24-2003, 12:46 AM

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Perhaps.

Although, how did they mean that? Surely not in the premil eschatology sense, right? Weren't they saying merely that it is anti - Christ--that is it against Christ?

Here's my post about the RCC, btw: http://www.christianguitar.org/forum...&postid=853738

I'm not totally sure how they meant it. Who cares, they were obviously wrong.

Grace & Peace
Luke

**Athanasius** · 06-24-2003, 01:34 AM

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Perhaps.

Although, how did they mean that? Surely not in the premil eschatology sense, right? Weren't they saying merely that it is anti - Christ--that is it against Christ?

Here's my post about the RCC, btw: http://www.christianguitar.org/forum...&postid=853738

I believe the White Horse Inn guys made the claim that most of them were historicist premillenialists (which really isn't that far from amillenialism)...

Travis · 06-24-2003, 09:00 AM

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I'm not totally sure how they meant it. Who cares, they were obviously wrong.

I don't think it'd be wrong to say they are anti-Christ in the sense that they are against Christ (the true gospel).