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Unread 06-07-2003, 05:10 PM   #1
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Knowing your instrument, checking your heart . . .

What? know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own?
1 Cor 6:19

It seems to me, the key to presenting myself as a living sacrifice in offering worship to my Lord, begins with a heart check. My experience to this point has shown me that, regardless of the vocal ability others may see me as possessing, its operation is similar to that of manifesting the "gifts of the Spirit".

While I've read much in this forum which constitutes good sound (pardon the pun) advice regarding the technical aspects of breathing, posture, intonation, ect., more than anything else, I see worship as being an expression of our love for God.

I'm writing this because until about 6 weeks ago, my involvement in worship was the focal point of my relationship with the Lord. Both health and personal conditions recently have forestalled my sustaining that same level of participation recently.

If anyone would have any words of encouragement or Scripture they'd like to share, I'd certainly appreciate hearing it.

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Unread 06-08-2003, 08:43 PM   #2
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Re: Knowing your instrument, checking your heart . . .

welcome to the boards!
you'll read alot more about preparing your heart for worship in the worship leaders forum, i think. this one tends to lean towards vocal technique.

nevertheless, i have a little scripture thats been on my heart lately.
its Psalm 12, where it basically talks about purity of the mouth.

your mouth is an instrument of praise to God, and to foul it with crude talk is not a good thing.

i feel that living by this makes my offering of worship to God more meaningful.
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Unread 06-09-2003, 02:18 PM   #3
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Not surprisingly, I sing better when I am worshiping in spirit and in truth...Anyone agree?

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Unread 06-09-2003, 02:37 PM   #4
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Not surprisingly, I sing better when I am worshiping in spirit and in truth...Anyone agree?

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I dont know, i never have enough monitor, lol.
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i don't know if i sing any better when worshiping, but i know that i feel that my efforts are going to the right place, in comparison to just singing for no reason or trying to sing to a girl or something.

i hope i sound my best when i'm worshiping.

i had a bad experience a couple weeks ago, though i didn't sing, because i was too sick to sing. basically, our band fell apart musically to the point that it distracted from worship at times. its not that we didn't worship, it was just that after, i felt rotten, like i hadn't brought my best before God. thats something i don't want to feel again.
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Unread 06-09-2003, 08:32 PM   #6
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Yes, not being in a position to offer my best was pretty much the point of my original post. Knowing that a ministry of worship really only works by God's annointing, means recognizing that my relationship to or with Him is really the most important thing.

Thanks for the responses. Its encouraging to hear how God is working individually in the hearts of those who'd seek to know and serve Him.
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As we say in my band, "Well, what do I know anyway, I'm just the bass player."

I'm not a singer on the praise team yet, but I do personally sing better when I am worshiping, and yes, my efforts are going the right place. It's anointing, I'm telling you. I play bass better when in worship, that's when the anointing comes the most for me. I do, however sing while I play, so I need all the Holy Spirit anointing He will give me!

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Bass players who can also sing tend to be a bit of a rarity. Of course one of the most notable exceptions to this was Paul McCartney with the Beatles.

Perhaps what's notable about this, as a friend pointed out to me some time ago, is that Paul's instrumental style was also very melodic. Thus, he seemed to have an uncanny ability to seamlessly blend harmonic lines between the bass and others within the band, including his own vocals.

From my own experience, I believe the more accomplished musician will often 'back off' from a more noticable expression of their musicianship in favor of fuller, more harmonious results.
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From my own experience, I believe the more accomplished musician will often 'back off' from a more noticable expression of their musicianship in favor of fuller, more harmonious results.
yep.
a band is a team, and everyone has to give up a little in order to make the team better.
you can't have 4 vocalists adding whatever inflections they want to the melody. when you have 4 vocalists singing as an ensemble, though, that is beautiful.

this also works for instrumentalists who understand that less is more.
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yep.
a band is a team, and everyone has to give up a little in order to make the team better . . . this also works for instrumentalists who understand that less is more.
:kyep:

Exactamundo! And once again, Georgeo, your wisdom and insight extend beyond your years.
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I definitely agree that when singing it is important for me to be singing to God, to have my heart in the right place... but honestly, I sometimes feel the word "worship" is overused and misconstrued. In my band for example, I feel like there is more of an emphasis put on worshipping just to "get" God's presence than actually just giving of ourselves in adoration. Also, I don't know if this is right or wrong, but I feel like the all-out worship I have with God when I am alone is something very special and in public, I don't feel comfortable "sharing" that. This is probably wrong but I'm just expressing what happens when I am on stage or even in an audience. I feel a desire to "draw people in" to worship but it seems like everyone's motivations are wrong. Like, if God's presence did not "show up" in the way that some would want it to, it would almost be a failure. Or it would not be furfilling. Meanwhile, the most intense worship times I have had were just at home worshipping God and expecting nothing in return. Just being able to acknowledge who he is.

Also, isn't worship something that happens inwardly? How come there is so much pressure put on "looking" like you're worshipping - IE: raising of hands, closing your eyes, etc.? I'm not saying these are bad but how come these things are supposed to be the "mark" of someone who is worshipping God?


I also think being able to sing is important if you are a vocalist on a praise team. I hear people say all the time, "Well, I'm not that great a singer but I really just want to worship God". What is the point of letting everyone hear your voice if you are not a great singer? Why is worshipping God not <i>worshipping God</i> unless you are on a stage? If everyone on a worship team is held up to a standard of worship... and they are worshipping when they sing... then why is a big deal if someone wants to join the team because they can 'really worship' - does this mean that everyone else on the team cannot worship to the same extent? What I want to know is why someone with a great gift of being able to worship cannot use that gift to worship God in children's ministry. Why they can't use that gift to worship God through dance. It doesn't make sense if you can't sing to be singing in a band - it just doesn't. That is the outlet through which that ministry operates... it doesn't mean other areas do not worship in the same way. Take evangelism - that is REAL worship. If you can glorify God amongst people who do not yet know his goodness - THAT IS REAL WORSHIP. Otherwise, it's just hidden agendas in my opinion.
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I definitely agree that when singing it is important for me to be singing to God, to have my heart in the right place . . .

But the hour cometh, and now is, when true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.

John 4:23

In my band for example, I feel like there is more of an emphasis put on worshipping just to "get" God's presence than actually just giving of ourselves in adoration. . . I feel a desire to "draw people in" to worship but it seems like everyone's motivations are wrong. . . How come there is so much pressure put on "looking" like you're worshipping - IE: raising of hands, closing your eyes, etc.?

Then Peter and the (other) apostles answered and said, we ought to obey God rather than men.

Acts 5:29

I also think being able to sing is important if you are a vocalist on a praise team. Why is worshipping God not <i>worshipping God</i> unless you are on a stage? Take evangelism - that is REAL worship. If you can glorify God amongst people who do not yet know his goodness - THAT IS REAL WORSHIP. Otherwise, it's just hidden agendas in my opinion.

But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

I Corinthians 12:31

These were the best responses I could find to address your issues about the heart of worship. While I too, have experienced and consequently, share many of your views, I've learned that the most important thing is keeping my focus on the Lord. One of the wondrous things about the church body is that different members do that in different ways. I may realize God's presence in my individual worship time with Him, others while fellowshipping, and still others through prayer or reading Scripture . . .

I don't think it matters so much how it happens, just that it happens. Sometimes that simply means getting out of our own way to allow a working of the Holy Spirit.


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