going on to a second instrument...brass?

sanzi · 07-19-2003, 03:12 PM

slides are the trickiest. valves of holes to plug are much much easier. But then for brass you've got to know how to do the buzz and the emboucher for each note. tricky tricky.

***Art*** · 07-20-2003, 05:35 AM

I just have to comment on something from above... You only need to know the treble clef. It doesn't matter what range you have, all of your music will be written in one clef. I've never seen it any other way on any brass instrument, and I've been playing since Jr. High.

BTW, for the original question... not easy to learn trumpet, especially at first. I definitely recommend a private teacher if you can afford it.

majestik_moose · 07-23-2003, 03:13 PM

Standard horn music switches from treble to bass clef many times in a song, ........ get informed before you speak....

***Art*** · 07-23-2003, 05:40 PM

As I've said, I've been a brass musician for a long time, and I've never seen it. Does that mean it doesn't happen? No. Get less rude before you speak.

By the way, I just looked through my entire french horn book. Everything in it is in trebble cleff. Does my statement seem so stupid now?

xSuspensionx · 07-24-2003, 09:38 PM

I don't think I've EVER seen french horn music in bass clef....
I'm not a horn player, but I sit right behind them, and one of my best friends is one. I've heard of horn music for tenor clef, but never seen it, but bass clef, thats pretty rediculous sounding.

***Art*** · 07-25-2003, 03:04 AM

My brother has played horn for roughly 15 years. I'm asking him tomorrow.

majestik_moose · 07-28-2003, 07:59 PM

Really???????????
I am a professional horn player, which means I play music other than high school music. HS horm music almost never goes into bass cleff, because the majority of player in HS don't have a good range. Horn was made for the orchestra, not the band. Band music for horn has it doubling sax's and trumpets mast of the time( not all). Look at real horn music, and you will see it dip into bass almost everytime we play below our low C. Look at Dukas" Villanelle, or Meij's Lord of The Rings(2nd and 4th horns have almost a page of bass cleff).Instead of asking a High School student, ask a pro at a university, or an orchestral horn player, they'll tell you.

jmpeter316 · 07-29-2003, 12:54 PM

Back to this thread again...wow, it's been awhile.

Majestic_Moose is correct. While the vast majority of Horn music is in treble clef, there are many pieces that are written in bass, or even alto clef. My wife has been playing Horn for 15+ years and I've seen some of her music. She tells me that she has even seen pieces that switch from treble to bass clef in the same song!!!

This is done mainly because the French Horn has a HUGE range.

Peace.

Jay

majestik_moose · 07-30-2003, 08:19 PM

Thanks!!!!
Yes, the horn-s range is so huge that a composer would be stupid to write notes 16+ leger lines below the staff, it's much simpler to put it in bass cleff, same for alto cleff in the upper octave, because as long as you have the lips, there is no real end to the horn's high register.I aim to be a band director, and then get my masters in horn performance, so I do a lot of extra horn playing and studying that most others don't, so I know these things.
-Moose
Principle Horn, Eastern Youth Ochestra
" " " " , UNC-Wilmington Wind Ensamble

***Art*** · 07-30-2003, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by majestik_moose

Really???????????
I am a professional horn player, which means I play music other than high school music. HS horm music almost never goes into bass cleff, because the majority of player in HS don't have a good range. Horn was made for the orchestra, not the band. Band music for horn has it doubling sax's and trumpets mast of the time( not all). Look at real horn music, and you will see it dip into bass almost everytime we play below our low C. Look at Dukas" Villanelle, or Meij's Lord of The Rings(2nd and 4th horns have almost a page of bass cleff).Instead of asking a High School student, ask a pro at a university, or an orchestral horn player, they'll tell you.

My brother is hardly a high school horn player. He was considered one of the top 5 HS horn players in California in high school, and he went through college on a full music scholarship. Anyhow, you're right, I was wrong. But it is still true that i have never seen bass clef horn music.

majestik_moose · 08-01-2003, 03:06 PM

Hey, sorry, I wasn't reffering to your brother, just hs in general only because I am in hs, and none or our hs music is in bass cleff, but alot of my other music for my other bands are( my orchestra and wind ensamble). Sorry if it sounded like i am really mean, I'm not, I promise, I am just really into my horn, and I don't like people to be wrong about it, because once they are, the instrument then becomes really underappreciated, so sorry. Any other horn related questions, please ask, I really enjoy answering!
Moose