What is a Pentecostal?(merged)

Lightknight · 07-22-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by patrick1

that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of, icthus i would like to hear your refrences for this, b/c trinity isnt in the bible to my learning,

Your form of pentecostalism is not orthodox pentecostalism. So a "oneness" view on the Bible is not an acceptable explaination as to what a Pentecostal believes.

patrick1 · 07-22-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

Your form of pentecostalism is not orthodox pentecostalism. So a "oneness" view on the Bible is not an acceptable explaination as to what a Pentecostal believes.

o so now you are saying my opinion oesnt matter cuz of my belief; what do you make of these verses:

Joh*10:30
I and my Father are one.

Ac*2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

De*6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Daniel21TX · 07-22-2005, 06:28 PM

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LightKnight said:
Your form of pentecostalism is not orthodox pentecostalism. So a "oneness" view on the Bible is not an acceptable explaination as to what a Pentecostal believes.

I guess a Roman Catholic might make the same arguement against any other denomination when it comes to Christianity. Please take into account that the trinity wasn't even official doctrine until the 4th century and that modalism has been around since the begining of Christianity. Also that Tertullian, the person who is recorded as being the first to use the word trinity, stated in his own writings, that the vast majority of Christians didn't understand/accept his view of the nature of God, and felt it violated monotheistic teaching. The following is copied from http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...l/One-Ch10.htm :

We get much of our information on the modalists from Tertullian (died c. 225), who wrote a treatise against Praxeas. In it he indicated that during his ministry "the majority of believers" adhered to the Oneness doctrine.

"The simple, indeed (I will not call them unwise and unlearned), who always constitute the majority of believers, are startled at the dispensation (of the Three in One), on the very ground that their very Rule of Faith withdraws them from the world's plurality of gods to the one only true God; not understanding that, although He is the one only God, He must yet be believed in with His own economy. The numerical order and distribution of the Trinity, they assume to be a division of the Unity."

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Patrick1 said:
o so now you are saying my opinion oesnt matter cuz of my belief; what do you make of these verses:

Joh*10:30
I and my Father are one.

Ac*2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

De*6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

There is a Oneness/Baptism/Evidence of Holy Spirit discussion all in one thread already. It is the "Oneness - Baptism and all that good stuff" thread in the theology section. I'm not telling you to not defend your faith, I myself am a oneness believer. Feel free to add anything to the Oneness - Baptism and all that good stuff thread.

InfusionDrummer · 07-25-2005, 12:50 PM

Pentecostals believe in the day of Pentecost which is when the Holy Spirit came down and everyone there was baptised in the holy spirit and began speakin in tongues. Pentecostals belive in the gift of tongues....the heavanly language....

undecided_soul · 12-22-2005, 12:58 PM

I can give you an exact answer to this one, my uncle's in a UPC bible school and he was talking about this the other day in chapel... in order to be considered Pentecostal all you must believe is that the Holy Ghost (usually with evidence of speaking in tongues) is still available today...
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Roland Fender · 05-31-2006, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky

what must you believe in order to be considered pentecostal?

Follow the teachings of Christ and the ten commandments.

Lightknight · 05-31-2006, 11:39 AM

The teachings of Christ summarize the ten commandments. To follow the commandments of Christ are to follow the ten commandments.

Nathanael · 05-31-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Roland Fender

Follow the teachings of Christ and the ten commandments.

Um that's what makes us christians?

Lightknight · 05-31-2006, 01:14 PM

Now, if he said believing and following the teachings of the bible, then we'd have something right!

Roland Fender · 06-04-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

The teachings of Christ summarize the ten commandments. To follow the commandments of Christ are to follow the ten commandments.

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Good point

Roland Fender · 06-04-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathanael

Um that's what makes us christians?

Some Christians dont apply all of the Bible verses, non pentecostals lay aside the verse about the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

rockstar0173 · 06-06-2006, 04:10 PM

These are nonnegotiable tenets of faith that all Assemblies of God churches adhere to. This list is derived from the official Statement of Fundamental Truths. Click links below to see the complete original statement with scriptures.

WE BELIEVE...The Scriptures are Inspired by God and declare His design and plan for mankind.

WE BELIEVE...There is only One True God–revealed in three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).

WE BELIEVE...In the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. As God's son Jesus was both human and divine.

WE BELIEVE...though originally good, Man Willingly Fell to Sin–ushering evil and death, both physical and spiritual, into the world.

WE BELIEVE...Every Person Can Have Restored Fellowship with God Through 'Salvation' (accepting Christ's offer of forgiveness for sin). [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

WE BELIEVE...and practice two ordinances—(1) Water Baptism by Immersion after repenting of one's sins and receiving Christ's gift of salvation, and (2) Holy Communion (the Lord's Supper) as a symbolic remembrance of Christ's suffering and death for our salvation.

WE BELIEVE...the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a Special Experience Following Salvation that empowers believers for witnessing and effective service, just as it did in New Testament times. [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

WE BELIEVE... The Initial Physical Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is ‘Speaking in Tongues,’ as experienced on the Day of Pentecost and referenced throughout Acts and the Epistles.

WE BELIEVE...Sanctification Initially Occurs at Salvation and is not only a declaration that a believer is holy, but also a progressive lifelong process of separating from evil as believers continually draw closer to God and become more Christlike.

WE BELIEVE...The Church has a Mission to seek and save all who are lost in sin. We believe 'the Church' is the Body of Christ and consists of the people who, throughout time, have accepted God's offer of redemption (regardless of religious denomination) through the sacrificial death of His son Jesus Christ.

WE BELIEVE...A Divinely Called and Scripturally Ordained Leadership Ministry Serves the Church. The Bible teaches that each of us under leadership must commit ourselves to reach others for Christ, to worship Him with other believers, and to build up or edify the body of believers–the Church.

WE BELIEVE...Divine Healing of the Sick is a Privilege for Christians Today and is provided for in Christ's atonement (His sacrificial death on the cross for our sins). [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

WE BELIEVE...in The Blessed Hope—When Jesus Raptures His Church Prior to His Return to Earth (the second coming). At this future moment in time all believers who have died will rise from their graves and will meet the Lord in the air, and Christians who are alive will be caught up with them, to be with the Lord forever. [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

WE BELIEVE...in The Millennial Reign of Christ when Jesus returns with His saints at His second coming and begins His benevolent rule over earth for 1,000 years. At that time many in the nation of Israel will recognize and accept Him as the Messiah, the Savior who died for them and all mankind.

WE BELIEVE...A Final Judgment Will Take Place for those who have rejected Christ. They will be judged for their sin and consigned to eternal punishment in a punishing lake of fire.

WE BELIEVE...and look forward to the perfect New Heavens and a New Earth that Christ is preparing for all people, of all time, who have accepted Him. We will live and dwell with Him there forever following His millennial reign on Earth. 'And so shall we forever be with the Lord!'