What is a Pentecostal?(merged)

Mrstickball · 03-29-2004, 08:07 PM

http://www.upci.org/doctrine/60_questions.asp

Might want to take a look at that before saying oneness people are as bad as atheists.......

Lightknight · 04-18-2004, 02:09 PM

Wow, nice site, I need to remember it. It is the ultimate trinity proof. By the way. The word Trinity was made by Tertullian. It is a combination of Trinitas (or trinas, don't quite remember) and Unas. Meaning three faces, one substance. Or in other words, three personalities, but of the same substance. Cool tidbit of knowledge I think.

Cyberkidd007 · 06-27-2004, 11:31 PM

ok about the trinity. It says to be babtized in the "name" of the (father son holy ghost). OK thats true but this part (father, son, holy ghost) are 3 adj. So if i was to Name adj's of my dad he would be father,son,husband,male,etc but thats not his name his real name is Kevin. It is the same with Baptizing in "jesus name" u see the father son and holy ghost are just adj describing him. Him = jesus. U see Baptizing in the name of "the father, son, and holy ghost" wouldn't be in His name because your just baptizing with and adj. Not a PROPER noun.

hope this makes abit of sense to you.

Crafter333 · 09-01-2004, 01:49 PM

That's hard to see. During the crucifixion, the Father turned His face away from Jesus. If father was an adjective describing Jesus, how could he turn his face away from himself? Also, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" We were promised by Jesus that the Holy Spirit would come to be our comforter after he was taken up. He could just say that he was coming back. The last one is the scripture that "not even the Son" knows the hour of His return. I don't think He could withold information from himself.

I can't say they are all [separate] gods (that would be polytheistic). I prefer the wording "distinct, yet 3 in 1". A very crude example is a game set. A pool table, ping-pong table, foosball table, all in one. Three different games all in one table. That's a really bad example, but the best one I could come up with.

This is one of the hardest concepts in Christianity to grasp. I'm just going to believe what the Bible says, and that His ways are higher that our ways.

fretman0 · 09-01-2004, 02:11 PM

you also have to remember that as sinful humans there is stuff that we can't even begin to understand - like the fact that God never had a begining and the fact that we will live for eternity. there's just some stuff that our minds can't comprehend and we just have to trust the Bible and have faith.

Lightknight · 09-01-2004, 02:33 PM

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you also have to remember that as sinful humans there is stuff that we can't even begin to understand - like the fact that God never had a begining and the fact that we will live for eternity. there's just some stuff that our minds can't comprehend and we just have to trust the Bible and have faith.

Actually, it isn't us being sinful humans that is the reason, it's that we are human and not omni in any way. Remember also that you are no longer bound to sin. You are free of it thanks to Christ and your slate is clean. So you being a sinful being is no longer a proper excuse.

Southern 1982 · 10-22-2004, 09:21 PM

Lightknight,
I saw that you wrote an anti-Calvinistic post and was wandering if you are familiar with what most Calvinists believe?
Also, just to say "hey" because I am new to the board, and I see your from Florida. How did you make it through the storm?!

In Christ

ICTHUS · 10-22-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Southern 1982

Lightknight,
I saw that you wrote an anti-Calvinistic post and was wandering if you are familiar with what most Calvinists believe?
Also, just to say "hey" because I am new to the board, and I see your from Florida. How did you make it through the storm?!

In Christ

Gavin is one of the most ardent Arminians on this board.

Lightknight · 10-22-2004, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Southern 1982

Lightknight,
I saw that you wrote an anti-Calvinistic post and was wandering if you are familiar with what most Calvinists believe?
Also, just to say "hey" because I am new to the board, and I see your from Florida. How did you make it through the storm?!

In Christ

Yes. I am very familiar with their side.

The storm did a lot of damage. Took some trees down in bad areas. But I'm fine. Welcome to the boards!

Lightknight · 10-22-2004, 10:51 PM

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Gavin is one of the most ardent Arminians on this board.

Thanks Icthus, but that doesn't tell him that I know the Calvinist's side of it too.

Southern 1982 · 10-23-2004, 03:39 PM

lightknight,
Wow, Praise God that you made it through the storm!

Still have not read your paper on Calvinism (Hope to in the future!). I look forward to discussing the issues with you. Maybe we can both "Grow in the grace and knowledge" of our Lord Jesus. Anyways, nice to meet you bro!

brother in Christ

"The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again."—C. H. Spurgeon

Lightknight · 10-23-2004, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Southern 1982

lightknight,
Wow, Praise God that you made it through the storm!

Still have not read your paper on Calvinism (Hope to in the future!). I look forward to discussing the issues with you. Maybe we can both "Grow in the grace and knowledge" of our Lord Jesus. Anyways, nice to meet you bro!

brother in Christ

"The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again."—C. H. Spurgeon

I am well familiar with Spurgeon and his work. You should check out the Theology forum. Do a search with key words like "Predestination" and "Calvinism" "Eternal Security" etc. You'll probably see a whole heck of a lot of posts by me. Dating back to over a year ago. However, keep in mind that this is the Pentecostal forum, and as the mod of this forum I must request that you refrain from continuing discussion that is not particular to being a Pentecostal/Charismatic.

Also, the link in my blog isn't my paper on Calvinism. It is simply a response to a Calvinist who was wondering about eternal security first and foremost. I suppose I will make a paper one day and then post it here for people to read.

While you cannot continue discussion on Calvinism in this forum, feel free to pm me and I will be glad to respond.

**slap_j** · 10-23-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

Thanks Icthus, but that doesn't tell him that I know the Calvinist's side of it too.

That's an insult isn't it?

Lightknight · 10-23-2004, 06:16 PM

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That's an insult isn't it?

hmm? Just because one is an ardent member of an opposing group doesn't mean they know what the other side is all about. (i.e. Bush or Kerry supporters)

Besides, you don't know how many Calvinists and non-Calvinists that I've met who can barely explain their own beliefs, let alone the other side's.

bulldoghair · 10-23-2004, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

I am well familiar with Spurgeon and his work. You should check out the Theology forum. Do a search with key words like "Predestination" and "Calvinism" "Eternal Security" etc. You'll probably see a whole heck of a lot of posts by me. Dating back to over a year ago. However, keep in mind that this is the Pentecostal forum, and as the mod of this forum I must request that you refrain from continuing discussion that is not particular to being a Pentecostal/Charismatic.

Also, the link in my blog isn't my paper on Calvinism. It is simply a response to a Calvinist who was wondering about eternal security first and foremost. I suppose I will make a paper one day and then post it here for people to read.

While you cannot continue discussion on Calvinism in this forum, feel free to pm me and I will be glad to respond.

what's up with this? why can't we talk about this in this forum?
what about a thread concerning "premillennial" view
verses "postmillennial" view? i was thinking of starting one on that subject. do u think that all pentecostal/charismatic folks all believe the same things? i'm using myself as an example, my beliefs are a variety and combinations of views usually labled by one group or the other.
let independant thinkers and believers riegn!

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