[kepha]

I wonder if anyone noticed the book advertised at the top of this "Roman Catholic" forum, "The Dark History of the Church, Seven Great Myths by Organized Religions"

I read the blurb for it, and already could smell the sulphur of revisionist history and anti-Catholicism.

Not only does it violate the guidlines for this thread, but I am sure some "bible-Christian" anti-Catholic bigot who runs this show put it there on purpose.

kepha

[ICTHUS]

Originally Posted by kepha

I wonder if anyone noticed the book advertised at the top of this "Roman Catholic" forum, "The Dark History of the Church, Seven Great Myths by Organized Religions"

I read the blurb for it, and already could smell the sulphur of revisionist history and anti-Catholicism.

Not only does it violate the guidlines for this thread, but I am sure some "bible-Christian" anti-Catholic bigot who runs this show put it there on purpose.

kepha

Kepha, in two posts you have proven yourself to be one of the most rude people I have ever encountered on CGR and just as bigoted as those you claim are against your faith.

For your information and future reference, the moderators of this forum do not have power over which ads go into the top. They can block certain ads from being displayed if they find them objectionable, but they cannot cause any ads to be displayed..

[kepha]

Kepha, in two posts you have proven yourself to be one of the most rude people I have ever encountered on CGR and just as bigoted as those you claim are against your faith.

I must object to your misleading signature:

Nicholas Ridley, English Reformer, who was, for the glory of God, martyred by being burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church for his belief in the Biblical truth of the Reformed faith

There is no historical evidence that supports the notion of the Catholic Church formally sentencing him, or any of the reformers, to death. Of course, you make no mention Ridley and Latimer’ hand in the burning of many under King Henry VIII. These were troubled times for England, with heresies threatening the very fabric of society.

No doubt a lot of people were tried and sentenced to death, but by Queen Mary, trying to protect her country from the ravages of your reformers. Rather than get into alot of history here, I suggest you get the context of the situation, before trying to stick something up our nose.

How many “witches” were burned by reformers? Try 150,000. And you post your misleading remark about Ridley. And the reason?

How would you like it if I had on my signature some of the atrocities committed by your glorious reformers:

In Scotland, John Knox and his ilk passed legislation in which:
It was . . . forbidden to say Mass or to be present at Mass, with the punishment for a first offence of loss of all goods and a flogging; for the second offence, banishment; for the third, death.
(Hughes, 300)

Six Carthusian monks, a Bridgettine monk, and the Bishop of Rochester, St. John Fisher, were hanged or beheaded (the Bishop), some being disemboweled and drawn and quartered, in May and June, 1535, all for denying that Henry VIII was the Supreme Head on earth of the Church of England. (Hughes, 181-182)

When Henry began his persecution, there were about 1,000 Dominican monks in Ireland, only four of whom survived when Elizabeth came to the throne thirty years later . . .

Stoddard chronicles further persecution in England -- of the Dissenters. Under Elizabeth, Presbyterians, for example, were "branded, . . . imprisoned, banished, mutilated and even put to death. A few Anabaptists and Unitarians were burned alive." (Stoddard, 205) Anglican Bishops were silent accomplices and witnesses of much torture. (Stoddard, 205-206)

In Ireland, Bishops were executed by the English in 1578 (two), 1585 and 1611. In 1652 "an attempt was made to exterminate the entire Irish Catholic priesthood . . .

In May 1555, a drunken riot occurred, precipitated by a group which objected to the excess of foreign refugees in Geneva. Dissidents of Calvin were termed "Libertines."
The brothers Comparet, two humble boatmen, were executed and pieces of their dismembered bodies nailed on the city gates.
(Daniel-Rops, 192)

The Comparet brothers, with Calvin's approval, were tortured . . . Under the rack they said the riot had . . . been premeditated, but denied this again before their execution. A number, including Francois Berthelier, were beheaded . . . Several others were banished, and the wives of the condemned were likewise driven from the city.
(Harkness, 48)

Need I go on? It doesn’t end when you flaunt a single incidence out of context. He was executed by the queen, POLITICS, and then you go blaming the Church. And then you cry “rude and bigoted” against me because you have no refutation of my posts on the Eucharist?

Why should I bother with someone who can’t get there head out of the 15th century? Please, sir, kindly remove that offensive Ridley remark. It’s revisionist history, and Catholic bashing at it’s worst. And it doesn’t make for very pleasant discussion when I see such glaring propaganda.

Then you tell me I am rude and bigoted. It either ends now, or it begins. I don't want to go there. Do you?

kepha

THE PROTESTANT INQUISITION "Reformation" Intolerance and Persecution http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ247.HTM

[ICTHUS]

Originally Posted by kepha

I must object to your misleading signature:



There is no historical evidence that supports the notion of the Catholic Church formally sentencing him, or any of the reformers, to death. Of course, you make no mention Ridley and Latimer’ hand in the burning of many under King Henry VIII. These were troubled times for England, with heresies threatening the very fabric of society.

No doubt a lot of people were tried and sentenced to death, but by Queen Mary, trying to protect her country from the ravages of your reformers. Rather than get into alot of history here, I suggest you get the context of the situation, before trying to stick something up our nose.

How many “witches” were burned by reformers? Try 150,000. And you post your misleading remark about Ridley. And the reason?

How would you like it if I had on my signature some of the atrocities committed by your glorious reformers:

In Scotland, John Knox and his ilk passed legislation in which:
It was . . . forbidden to say Mass or to be present at Mass, with the punishment for a first offence of loss of all goods and a flogging; for the second offence, banishment; for the third, death.
(Hughes, 300)

Six Carthusian monks, a Bridgettine monk, and the Bishop of Rochester, St. John Fisher, were hanged or beheaded (the Bishop), some being disemboweled and drawn and quartered, in May and June, 1535, all for denying that Henry VIII was the Supreme Head on earth of the Church of England. (Hughes, 181-182)

When Henry began his persecution, there were about 1,000 Dominican monks in Ireland, only four of whom survived when Elizabeth came to the throne thirty years later . . .

Stoddard chronicles further persecution in England -- of the Dissenters. Under Elizabeth, Presbyterians, for example, were "branded, . . . imprisoned, banished, mutilated and even put to death. A few Anabaptists and Unitarians were burned alive." (Stoddard, 205) Anglican Bishops were silent accomplices and witnesses of much torture. (Stoddard, 205-206)

In Ireland, Bishops were executed by the English in 1578 (two), 1585 and 1611. In 1652 "an attempt was made to exterminate the entire Irish Catholic priesthood . . .

In May 1555, a drunken riot occurred, precipitated by a group which objected to the excess of foreign refugees in Geneva. Dissidents of Calvin were termed "Libertines."
The brothers Comparet, two humble boatmen, were executed and pieces of their dismembered bodies nailed on the city gates.
(Daniel-Rops, 192)

The Comparet brothers, with Calvin's approval, were tortured . . . Under the rack they said the riot had . . . been premeditated, but denied this again before their execution. A number, including Francois Berthelier, were beheaded . . . Several others were banished, and the wives of the condemned were likewise driven from the city.
(Harkness, 48)

Need I go on? It doesn’t end when you flaunt a single incidence out of context. He was executed by the queen, POLITICS, and then you go blaming the Church. And then you cry “rude and bigoted” against me because you have no refutation of my posts on the Eucharist?

Why should I bother with someone who can’t get there head out of the 15th century? Please, sir, kindly remove that offensive Ridley remark. It’s revisionist history, and Catholic bashing at it’s worst. And it doesn’t make for very pleasant discussion when I see such glaring propaganda.

Then you tell me I am rude and bigoted. It either ends now, or it begins. I don't want to go there. Do you?

kepha

THE PROTESTANT INQUISITION "Reformation" Intolerance and Persecution http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ247.HTM

I don't claim that the Reformers were perfect (though, if we take a theonomic interpretation of Scripture, we are commanded in God's Word to execute heretics). I condemn the injustice done to us by the Roman Church, this is why I put the remark that I did. Surely, also, Bloody Mary had the permission of the Pope of Rome to do the things she did, being a loyal Roman Catholic and all.

[SccHarpGirl]

warning:

Kepha....this needs to stop. If you have an issue with the ads, take it to ME or another mod in this forum, or post it in the Site issues and questions forum. if you have a problem with Ryan (ICTHUS) and his signature, send him an e-mail or a private message about it.

As a Catholic who's been on this site for nearly three years, I found your "Bible Christian, anti catholic bigot" comment HIGHLY offensive. First of all, CGR doesn't have control over the ads that appear, if you have a problem with one you should tell the admins who can remove it from circulation. Secondly, every one of us should strive to be Bible Christians, and I really don't like that phrase being used in a negative contex, as if it's a bad thing to strive to live according to the scriptures. You won't run into too many Anti catholic bigots on here, and certainly they don't last around very long because even though the supermods and admins aren't Catholic, they are vigilant about dealing with slander towards ANY branch of Christianity.

Here at CGR we have representation from nearly every denomonation of Christianity, and are required to treat each other with respect as we are all a part of the body of Christ. That's all we ask of you here...so instead of coming here angry and looking for an excuse to fight (This is how you're coming across), come with an attitude to learn and grow in your faith. We are a very welcoming community and would love to have you stay and participate, but please, show respect for all of us.

If you would like to follow this message up you can either send me a private message or e-mail me at baseball_blonde27@hotmail.com

If you would like to contact Ryan and continue your discussion, you should either private message him or invite him to debate you in either theology or the restricted participation debates.

Thanks!
the friendly Catholic forum mods
or more specifically,
Noelle Fredrickson

[PacShady]

Although I must admit, it is rather ironic that Ryan is now debating the things I once debated against him hehehe.

[ICTHUS]

In this very thread, no less. Hi Sean!

[chaiyah]

1. "You will know them by their FRUIT [their behavior]." "Let your yes mean YES; and your no, NO." There are SHEEP and their are GOATS; wheat and tares; wolves and lambs. Wherever you are, you are divided.
2. "I have other sheep that are not of this fold." Wherever you are, there are better people somewhere ELSE.
3. Do and teach the Commandments of God. Matt 5:19, 1Joh 5:3, Ps 1:1
4. Jesus died, once for all time, to put an end to sentencing people to death for their sins. NO MORE ethnic cleansing. NO MORE stoning to death. His death ended all that. "Judge not, lest you be judged."
5. He said: "Turn the other cheek." He said: "Forgive 77 times."
7. Jesus said, "Come inherit the Kingdom: those of you who fed the hungry, filled the thirsty, welcomed the stranger, clothed the naked or ministered to the encarcerated." Are you doing the work, or not?
8. He said, "And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth, and the end will come." Are you doing the work, or not?

We already know that GOATS in both Catholic and Protestant strains of Christianity tried to outdo each other in cruel violence. What else is new? Wasn't that similar to what our nations are now doing in Afghanistan and in Iraq? Isn't that what the NeoConservatives are planning--NEXT--for Iran also? Jihad against people whose thoughts are different from our thoughts?

Let's get back on task. Never mind, violence. Let the demons work out violence. If we are to be the children of God, we will eschew violence and focus on helping the victims of it who are still alive.

Now, grow up and stop quibbling about the past.

--chai

[chaiyah]

Just moved to Texas from West Virginia [where there was no Episcopal parish so I had my choice: Catholic Parish or Southern Calvinist]. I chose Catholic, and for three years I greatly enjoyed the experience, albeit it was very different from the Anglican.

Catholics are focused on OBEDIENCE; Anglicans, on AUTONOMY.

Each Catholic homily [and I edited the homilies for the Indonesian young priest while he was there] are absolutely focused on the behavior and words of the Christ. He did it. We must do it. Period.

Anglicans are more likely to get into a discussion around reasons for this current practice or that one, based on what somebody at the Diocese said or wrote.

It was a delightful three years. I simply ignored the images in the church. I simply didn't participate in whatever was uncomfortable for me. And I got along just fine.

You know, we can look to harmonize what we have in common; we don't have to pick each other to death like the pecking order of a flock of chickens.

Thanks be to God! It was a good experience.

Chaiyah

[Robbi]

Good on you!
Hope you continue through your life in that wonderful experience.
God Bless,
Rob

[tabboy]

Originally Posted by ICTHUS

Hey Critikal!

Are you the dude that signed up from Phatmass???

Welcome to CGR!!

I LOVE PHATMASS!!!!!!!!!!!

and flyfreeministries.org/forum

(I'm master_alterserver)

[goldenchild]

Phatmass be off the heezy!

[ICTHUS]

Originally Posted by goldenchild

Phatmass be off the heezy!

Yes, though your business of sending 'missionaries' out to this board two-by-two is somewhat shady. Almost like the Jehovah's Witnesses.

One of the missionaries you sent here, pm3chrd, was also exceedingly rude to a number of people on this board, including myself.

[2ManArmy]

The title of this thread no longer guides what its contents are. It will be closed until someone PMs an RCC mod desiring to submit an on-topic post.

God bless.