calvinist salvation question

yocreoenel · 02-18-2003, 07:52 PM

umm, is that what he was saying?

He was refering to LA I do believe...
so,
1 Timothy 2:1-6
First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
(oh, jeje, emphasis mine)

skclowdus · 02-18-2003, 08:28 PM

I would say that I came to believe the calvinistic view of salvation after I became a Christian.

But I don't think it matters what view you hold as far as your conversion is concerned.........believing in Christ as your Lord and Savior is no less valid b/c you believe one or the other.

I have found that the calvinist viewpoint (which I only believe because I find it to be biblical) has made me more thankful and appreciative of my salvation than I was under the arminian view point.

sheldon

**Chrysostom** · 02-18-2003, 08:52 PM

(yocreoenel) umm, is that what he was saying?

(Me) Are you saying that the Bible contradicts itself?

(yocreoenel) He was refering to LA I do believe...

(Me) Louisiana or Los Angeles?

Perhaps we should examine the context...

1 Timothy 2:1-6
1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men,
2 for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

Why does he say "all men?" To include "kings and all who are in authority." Thus, Paul expresses the universal nature of the New Covenant, as it is extended to Jew and Gentile, poor and rich, weak and powerful. In no way does this contradict Paul's doctrine of election.

And, of course, if Christ "gave Himself as a ransom" for absolutely all, then all is paid for on judgment day. It looks like we'd be seeing Judas, Pharoah, and Hitler in heaven...

saiyansniper · 02-18-2003, 11:35 PM

kool, thx for the response, just kinda a question a had

i do have another question towards calvinist about salvation

in acts 8:26-38 we have this ethiopian guy reading some scripture. philip comes and witnesses to him. they end up coming next to some water and the ethiopian asks philip can he get baptized. philip says, if you believe with all his heart he can. they guy says yeah and bam, gets baptized.

my question, this doesn't seem to set the example of election in my eyes, kinda shows a guy just wanting to be saved hence v.37 and he gets saved.

one more thing, just so i don't get bashed by some hardcore calvinist about my ignorance of the subject, i'm not claiming to know calvinism inside out. if my idea of election is wrong, plz correct. as far as i have learned, all have been offered a "general grace" with this they are given the choice the accept the sacrifice but they won't because it is there nature to flee from God. Only those who are offered (many called, few chosen) irresistable grace will ever know Christ. thats it...

**Chrysostom** · 02-19-2003, 12:16 AM

(saiyansniper) kool, thx for the response, just kinda a question a had

(John) Glad to help!

(saiyansniper) i do have another question towards calvinist about salvation

in acts 8:26-38 we have this ethiopian guy reading some scripture. philip comes and witnesses to him. they end up coming next to some water and the ethiopian asks philip can he get baptized. philip says, if you believe with all his heart he can. they guy says yeah and bam, gets baptized.

my question, this doesn't seem to set the example of election in my eyes, kinda shows a guy just wanting to be saved hence v.37 and he gets saved.

(John) The question is not "does the person want to be saved?" The question is "how does the person want to be saved?" The Scripture teaches that we were dead and incapable of choosing God, but that we were made alive together with Christ (Ephesians 2:4-5). The Scripture teaches that Lydia was able to desire Christ because her heart was opened by the Holy Spirit (Acts 16:14). The Scripture teaches that only those drawn by God want to believe, and that all who are drawn do believe (John 6:44).