what makes someone nondenominational?

surferguitarist · 02-19-2003, 05:30 PM

i dunno how i got that person real defensive. didnt mean to do that one. i guess i dont agree with interpreting the bible because if we just had one interpretation, exactly what the bible says, opinions couldnt separate people and christs church could unify just like 1 cor says to do. does that make sense?

**Becky** · 02-19-2003, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by surferguitarist
i dunno how i got that person real defensive. didnt mean to do that one. i guess i dont agree with interpreting the bible because if we just had one interpretation, exactly what the bible says, opinions couldnt separate people and christs church could unify just like 1 cor says to do. does that make sense?

Hey, it's ok, I read what you said, it made sence, and there was NOTHING *glares at attackers, with arrow in place if they dare to question me* wrong with it

and it was a fine post for your first few

if they don't like it, it's just cause they don't frequent the theology forum... (a rather... lively forum

) Welcome to CGR

VictoryRose · 02-19-2003, 06:50 PM

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unfortunately, non-denominational churches have a bad name. denomination in the greek means "division" which in 1 corinthians paul tells us that christ does not want us to be divided.

So being a church that is named in essence NO DIVISION is bad? I think that would be the point.

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They figured if you started just reading what the bible said and didnt listen to what calvin, luther, smythe, etc said, maybe we could unite. but as time went by they ended up being corrupt and started following mans preaching again. so now there are just a few non-denominational churches that are just bible-based.

I am confused as to how you know about all of the churches around the world. I think that by definition Non-denominational churches are not all the same. Some are bad, some are good. The way that you are approaching the subject is coming off as though you think you know everything, while in fact you are basing your opinion around a few examples you have been privied to. I might agree with your view points, I might not but still understand what you believe and why you believe these things if you say things in a different way. Just be clear that these are your personal opinions and be open to criticism, because there will probably be an abumdance of it. I can see you're new so I guess you'll get into the swing of things.

surferguitarist · 02-19-2003, 07:49 PM

im usually open to constructive criticism, but i havent seen this much criticism in a long time. i dont know everything, i only know what ive studied. from studying, the non-denominational churches ive looked at had one idea: to get away from denominations. some of these non-denom churches ended up being good, some bad. so since im so new to this.. why are a lot of people on the defense here?

**Sean** · 02-19-2003, 09:08 PM

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i dunno how i got that person real defensive.

I'm here. You really don't need to talk about me in the third person. Speak to me and reference me.

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didnt mean to do that one.

Okay

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i guess i dont agree with interpreting the bible

We have to.

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because if we just had one interpretation

We dont' have one interpretation though. Thats an extremely big "if."

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exactly what the bible says

That doesn't make sense. The Bible isn't written in English. And even what the Bible says leaves much room for interpretation. How would we choose the one interpretation that is right. Thats why we debate theology in the theology section. But there is still a lot of gray area.

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opinions couldnt separate people and christs church could unify just like 1 cor says to do.

Like XkcerMan said " I think if people would recognize the difference between an essential belief and a non-essential belief, the church would be a lot closer to unity. We'd also have to let go of a good deal of pride. "

Theres nothing wrong with a little division over non-essential differences. THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY YOU WILL GET EVERYONE TO AGREE ON NON-ESSENTIALS!

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does that make sense?

No, we have to interpret the Bible. It was written 2000 years ago at the earliest in a very different language. Different translations say different things. Different people disagree on what certain things mean.

surferguitarist · 02-19-2003, 09:11 PM

you seem pretty angry at me, what did i do that was so wrong? you win, ill keep to myself

**Sean** · 02-19-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by Becky
Hey, it's ok, I read what you said, it made sence and there was NOTHING *glares at attackers, with arrow in place if they dare to question me* wrong with it and it was a fine post for your first few if they don't like it, it's just cause they don't frequent the theology forum... (a rather... lively forum ) Welcome to CGR

You dont' need to speak about me in the third person or speak about me. I'm here. I'm posting. Speak to me.

I questioned what surferguitarist said because he implied that very few non-denominational churches were any good. I go to a non-denominational church. I took it a bit personal. The idea of condemming a high percentages of non-denominational churches as an attempt to unify the church doesn't make sense to Sean.

SEAN DOES FREQUENT THE THEOLOGY FORUM. I JUST DON'T POST IF I DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. I READ A LOT OF WHAT IS IN THERE BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I READ EVERY CALVINISM/ARMINISM THREAD! There are about a million of them.

The non-denominational forum is not the place to attack non-denominational churches. If you have a problem with them take it to the theology forum. The purpose of denominational forums wasn't so that we could know where to go to attack certain groups.

surferguitarist · 02-19-2003, 09:41 PM

im not attacking non-denominational churches, i go to one myself. im saying some non-denom churches werent correct because like all churches, they had problems.

**Sean** · 02-19-2003, 09:41 PM

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you seem pretty angry at me, what did i do that was so wrong? you win, ill keep to myself

I'm not angry with you. I just think you're saying very general things that are very idealistic and expecting people to agree or else they are attacking you. You also came to a forum and said things that can off rather negative towards non-denominational churches. Then people started argueing for you but they weren't even saying the same things as you were saying. They just wanted to argue against me. Then that Becky just started saying stuff that isn't true. I'm not down with liars.

**Sean** · 02-19-2003, 09:45 PM

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im not attacking non-denominational churches, i go to one myself. im saying some non-denom churches werent correct because like all churches, they had problems.

You're a very confusing person

ak-man · 02-21-2003, 07:52 PM

*reading everything above*

:kduh:

ouch, i have a headache...

**Becky** · 02-21-2003, 08:17 PM

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You dont' need to speak about me in the third person or speak about me. I'm here. I'm posting. Speak to me.

I questioned what surferguitarist said because he implied that very few non-denominational churches were any good. I go to a non-denominational church. I took it a bit personal. The idea of condemming a high percentages of non-denominational churches as an attempt to unify the church doesn't make sense to Sean.

SEAN DOES FREQUENT THE THEOLOGY FORUM. I JUST DON'T POST IF I DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. I READ A LOT OF WHAT IS IN THERE BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I READ EVERY CALVINISM/ARMINISM THREAD! There are about a million of them.

The non-denominational forum is not the place to attack non-denominational churches. If you have a problem with them take it to the theology forum. The purpose of denominational forums wasn't so that we could know where to go to attack certain groups.

I didn't speak TO you cause I wasn't TALKING TO YOU! I was just indicating to our new CGR person that he did nothing wrong. it was NOT an attack against you.. .just informing him that HE did nothing wrong. and it is STILL my opinion that he said nothing wrong... wether I agree with him or not, wether YOU agree with him or not.. he said nothing wrong! EVEN IF he's wrong! he STILL didn't say anything wrong!

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Then that Becky just started saying stuff that isn't true. I'm not down with liars

*walks away crying cause no one will understand her post, and people will still attack her characture for what she posts*

**Sean** · 02-21-2003, 08:23 PM

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*walks away crying cause no one will understand her post, and people will still attack her characture for what she posts*

I do my best.

Travis · 02-22-2003, 08:44 AM

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Dora · 03-07-2003, 10:47 PM

The question "What make someone Non-Denomination?"
Well...I got to a Non-Denomination church and have been going to it since I was born...
Honestly, I think what make you Non-Denominational...It the fact that you believe everything in the bible...Not just somethings...And really...I not saying that other Denominations are wrong, but like baptist say they don't believe in the "Speaking in tongues" well then they are missing out on alot of gifts from God, and therefore if God says people should speak in tongues he is disobediant...But I am not saying that all baptist churches don't, but most of the one I have heard of haven't and it not only baptist its alot of other churches but I do know that all the Non-denomination church do...

Matthew 12:32
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

To get back to the question...If I had to asnwer in a short paragraph I would say...
What make some one Non-Denomition means that they are different from other churches...Here you know what I am gonna post what our church believes here.

WE BELIEVE in the plenary-verbal inspiration of the accepted canon of the Scriptures as originally given. (II Tim. 3:16 and I Cor. 2:13).

WE BELIEVE in the Eternal Godhead. That God is One and manifests Himself as Father, Son and Holy Ghost. (Deut. 6:4; Matt. 28:19; II Cor. 13:14 and I Jn. 5:7).

WE BELIEVE in the creation, test and fall of man as recorded in Genesis; his total spiritual depravity and inability to attain to Divine righteousness. (Rom. 5:12,18).

WE BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour of men, conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, very God and very man. (Lk. 1:26-35; Jn. 1:18 and Isaiah 7:14, & 9:6).

WE BELIEVE Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day, and personally appeared to His disciples. (I Cor. 15:1-4 and Rom. 4:25).

WE BELIEVE in the bodily ascension of Jesus to heaven, His exaltation, and personal, literal and bodily coming again the second time for the Church. (Jn. 14:2-3 and I Thes. 4:13-18).

WE BELIEVE in the salvation of sinners by grace, through repentance and faith in the perfect and sufficient work of the cross of Calvary by which we obtain remission of sins through His blood. (Eph. 2:8-9; Heb. 9:12, & 22 and Rom. 5:11).

WE BELIEVE in the necessity of water baptism by immersion, in the name of Jesus, in order to fulfill the command of Christ. (Matt. 28:19; Acts 2:34-38 and 19:1-6).

WE BELIEVE in the baptism of the Holy Spirit as an experience subsequent to salvation, with the scriptural evidence; namely, speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance. (Acts 2:1-4; 8:14-17; 10:44-46 and Gal. 3:14-15).

WE BELIEVE in the operation of the gifts of the Spirit as enumerated in I Corinthians 12-14, as manifested in the Early Church.

WE BELIEVE in the Spirit-filled life, a life of separation from the world and perfecting of holiness in the fear of God as an expression of Christian faith. (Eph. 5:18 and II Cor. 6:14 & 7:1).

WE BELIEVE in the healing of the body by Divine power, or Divine healing in its varied aspects as practiced in the Early Church. (Acts 4:30; Rom. 8:11; I Cor. 12:9 and James 5:14).

WE BELIEVE in the table of the Lord, commonly called Communion or the Lord's Supper, for believers. (I Cor. 11:28-32).

WE BELIEVE in eternal life for believers (Jn. 5:24; 3:16) and eternal punishment for unbelievers (Mk. 9:43- 58; II Thes. 1:9 and Rev. 20:10-15).

WE BELIEVE in the reality and personality of Satan and the eternal judgment of Satan and his angels. (Matt. 25:41 and Rev. 20:10-15).

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