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Unread 02-04-2003, 03:01 PM   #61
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my opinion of the last couple pages: you christians are giving christianity a bad name. "he who is without sin, cast the first stone..."
This coming from a non-believer. (me)

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Unread 02-04-2003, 07:00 PM   #62
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my opinion of the last couple pages: you christians are giving christianity a bad name. "he who is without sin, cast the first stone..."
This coming from a non-believer. (me)
Whoa whoa whoa there, all of us admit we are sinners, but honestly what does that have to do with the question? We are not pointing fingers at anyone. We are expressing our opinions of the Jellifish pick. How is that comparable to stoning someone for sin?
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Unread 02-04-2003, 07:32 PM   #63
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my opinion of the last couple pages: you christians are giving christianity a bad name. "he who is without sin, cast the first stone..."
This coming from a non-believer. (me)
soz if you saw 'us christians' in that lime light. i myself was kinda disappointed when bobb mentioned quote -

"Just as Evil taunted God's creation, so too we see Evil alive and well today as it frown's upon any man or woman's effort to bring new ideas into existence from the void of nothingness."

basically, from what i gathered in that above quote - he was saying we're evil if we disapprove of his 'creation'. worst of all, he attempted to manipulate God's Word to justify his statement......that really got to me.

im not here to flame things, i just want to be able to 'freely' state my views on a pick (of all things!?) without being bombarded with 'you're a bad christian if you think less of my product' statements.

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Unread 02-04-2003, 11:11 PM   #64
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Bob,

I began making what was to become the Jellifish back in 1998. The Jellifish itself has only been on the market since November 2002. Here's the story:

I ran a project studio East of LA called Big Think Studios. BTS evolved into being a boutique for getting great guitar sounds due to an excellent collection of vintage and esoteric instruments. As Pro Tools and DSP plug-ins started becoming ubiquitous, music coming from the major labels started to sound even more homogenous than it already did. Line 6's Amp Farm was the final straw for me. Don't get me wrong, it's a great product, but it was the product that caused a light to go on in my head. I realized that to get unique sounds that no one's heard before out of a guitar you can't use the same toolbox everyone else is using. So I started experimenting with so-called "found" objects.

The Jellifish idea came from the need to amp-up some rhythm guitar tracks. I took a drum brush and an acoustic guitar and "spanked" the chord changes on the quarter-notes to overdub the guitarist's original tracks (which were played on a Les Paul). After comping the tracks together, we took a rough mix down to a coffee shop in the village (Claremont) where locals hung out and demo'd the track for a couple of musicians. When they were like, "Wow, what processor is that you're using," I knew we were on to something. So, I did some more experimenting with the drum brushes. I was just about to cut one up, when I thought why not use guitar string, which I did. These early prototypes of the Jellifish consisted of ordinary guitar string (both wound and unwound versions) soldered into a slit made in the side of a Mexican 100 Peso coin. You need a small jeweler's oxy-acetalene torch to braze these into place and there are some other details I won't take up any more space with.

I started circulating these original Jellifish (which we referred to as BrushPicks) among Claremont locals and other guitarists I knew in LA. It so happens that Ben Harper's grandparents owned a nice collection of instruments in a store/museum located in Claremont. I was in there one afternoon and Ben happened to be there. A mutual friend introduced us, he played with the BrushPick and said, "You've really got something here...you need to get this out there."

I was tied-up with other commitments in my life at the time, but continued to make these BrushPicks in limited quantities through 2001 and, along the way, got into licensing discussions with some of the other music products companies. In late 2001, I found myself having to make the decision to either license the patent and return to an unfulfilling career or use this opportunity as a chance to both pursue my entrepreneurial aspirations and, at the same time, build a company that reflected my views as to what a music product company's priorities should be, namely developing innovative products that expand the musician's vocabulary.

The last hand-made Jellifish was probably produced around this time last year (Feb '02). Regarding your question about the status of the current product, we are, naturally, *always* thinking about how we can improve the product. But the Jellifish that is now shipping is the bona fide "finished product."

Hope this answers your questions!

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Unread 02-04-2003, 11:29 PM   #65
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bobb, id gladly try out your product & recommend it to friends if i approve - but its unavailable here & i dun exactly have $15-18AUD to blow on a pick.

how bout a complimentary sample? :klol:
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Unread 02-04-2003, 11:29 PM   #66
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Reags,

Where have I ever "manipulated God's word"? Nowhere did I quote scripture!

Nor did I say (or mean for it to be inferred by anyone) that you or anyone else is "evil." The intent behind my statement is that when people speak negatively about someone's creation, it is Satan that leads them do so. They are not evil, simply a channel for the negativity that Satan spews into this world to rust away at goodness.

I personally don't like "boy band" music, rap music and a lot of the music that's being foisted upon us by a music industry whose sole focus is on the bottom line. But I'm not going to trash any of these artists individually or their creative works because to do so would only be perpetuating the cycle of negativity. Moreover, when faced with no alternative but to listen to such music, instead of focusing on what I dislike, I try to find elements in it that I can appreciate. And you know what? I haven't heard a piece of music yet that I haven't been able to find something positive to say about it. So too with every other creation. We live in a society that fosters indifference and negativity (which are really two sides of the same coin). Rest assured, Satan takes great pleasure in seeing these behavioral patterns assuming the role of status quo.

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This is a good marketing scheme to sell your pick rob. lol
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lemme tell ya that arguing for 1/2 an hour isn't gonna get one of those picks sold. In fact if anything, its creating an anti-jellyfish pick community.

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Nor did I say (or mean for it to be inferred by anyone) that you or anyone else is "evil." The intent behind my statement is that when people speak negatively about someone's creation, it is Satan that leads them do so. They are not evil, simply a channel for the negativity that Satan spews into this world to rust away at goodness
oic...so its like this is it?

mmmmkay then i can play this game 3....

from that above statement, ur basically saying that anything that we choose in our own free will not to partake in is....evil or from Satan.

I choose to think negatively about posessing drugs & guns....does that mean satan's leading me to think these things?

sure, that has a moral issue behind it & both are non related products to your pick (well i certainly hope so), but the bottom line is - can you handle other people's opinions?

correct me if im wrong, but didnt you also mention creating things from 'the void of nothingness'? wheres the scriptural backup for that?

i dont think anyone here has trashed your creation at all....some people like it, some dont - simple as that.

mind you im still unimpressed that you're still uplifting your stance that because someone doesnt like your product 'Satan's channelling through them.'
in the end it boils down to maturity & how one handles criticism. in your case, resorting to cheap thrill statements like that. just because someone doesnt like your product doesnt mean Satan's influenced them to think that way. to me that sort of comment simply appears to be a retaliation.

of course i look for the good in all things - though in this case its about weighing the 'good' with the 'bad' & coming up with a logical answer - in my case - a) interesting concept b) cant get jellifish in aust c) bit expensive d) boss gt6 produces similar sounds
therefore my answer would be 'no'.

you dont like boy bands, some people do. you like your picks, some people dont. thats life.

for the record, i listen to all sorts of music, from classical to rock to pop to r&b to jazz because i AM open minded.
there are awesome things about your pick, though like ive already mentioned because of the reasons above - its not for me.

please please just dont go around saying satan channels through me because i (or anyone else) dont choose to use the jellifish.
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come on guys, why is this turning into a fight? do you realize how incredibly rude it was to make fun of the jellifish when the inventor was on the message boards? if you don't like it that's fine, but you don't have to make fun of it. we are on a christian message board and some of y'all aren't reflecting that at all.i hope that the nonchristians that have posted don't let the few here that have been less than friendly reflect their opinion of the rest of us. Robb, i apologize for you having to endure the comments of a few of the posters here and i hope it doesn't dicourage you from staying on our message boards. I also applaud your innovative spirit and hope you continue to contribute to the world of music. awesome work


also, if a guitarist like Phil Keagy has started to use this pick, then i think that says a whole lot about it, especially since he more of a guitarists than any of us can ever dream of becoming.
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elijah, we have not made fun of the pick. take a look through the past pages.

i never said the invention was stupid, nor did i make fun of bobb.
in regards to my 'reagsypick', im really gonna make it nxt time i change strings seeing as a) i cant get the jellifish here b) its too expensive.

im just unhappy (& i think a few may agree....) about robb's statements referring to 'evil' 'satan' & 'creating something out of the void of nothingness', and until someone provides scriptural references for such statements, i will hold on to what i believe.

so again, sorry Bobb if I've offended you in any way, but if you intend to make statements related to the bible, please support it with something.

otherwise all the best with marketing your jellifish.
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elijah, we have not made fun of the pick. take a look through the past pages.

i never said the invention was stupid, nor did i make fun of bobb.
in regards to my 'reagsypick', im really gonna make it nxt time i change strings seeing as a) i cant get the jellifish here b) its too expensive.

im just unhappy (& i think a few may agree....) about robb's statements referring to 'evil' 'satan' & 'creating something out of the void of nothingness', and until someone provides scriptural references for such statements, i will hold on to what i believe.

so again, sorry Bobb if I've offended you in any way, but if you intend to make statements related to the bible, please support it with something.

otherwise all the best with marketing your jellifish.
Reag, i completly agree with you in pretty much everything you've said so far...
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Reags,

I think that there is a parallel between much of what you have to say and your misinformed statement to this message board that the Jellifish isn't available in Australia.

To the contrary, the Jellifish is available internationally. We have sold to over 15 coutries outside the United States, including to Australia (on many occassions, no less).

You are speaking without checking facts, and I stand by my statements that this is not a very Christian thing to do.

If your words have dissuaded so much as one person from trying the Jellifish, then that is a moral debt that -- like any other wrong we do unto others -- you will have to shoulder. I do not ask you to answer for it, but God will.

Similarly, you are putting words in my mouth on another matter. I have no objection to a person who has tried the Jellifish, put forth the effort to get the Chorus! Pluck! & Bow! sounds (as opposed to just thinking that flailing away with it is a good starting point), and then says, "This isn't for me." That's *not* negativity; that's just personal preference. I listened to "boy band" music before forming a personal opinion about it. It would have been far easier to follow the crowd and condemn these groups for any number of reasons *unrelated* to their music, which is what many people did.

Also, you state, "elijah, we have not made fun of the pick." Take a look at some of the following comments and I think it is hard to disagree that my original, one-line comment about being surprised at finding such negativity in a Christian message forum was warranted:

"Sheesh! I can't believe you guys are faling for this loser! That stupid pick is just a gimmick"

"The other bad decisions couldn't claim that I was sober though."

"i think this thing is really bogus"

"this pick isnt kewl at all"

"I tried to strum aggressively with it, and the **** thing snapped!" (Not recommended, by the way! The videos clearly show that *gentle* pressure is key. This is a case of someone condemning the product because he didn't want to follow directions.)

So if those aren't unobjective, negative comments, then I stand corrected. But I don't think that's the case.

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Is the Bow technique just rubbing the pick against the string?
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Sorta Jon, you really have to watch the videos and stuff. It doesn't sound much like a bowed instrument. You can hear each one of the tines as it hits the strings...it's more like being able to use several picks at the same time to continue the sound than and actually bow (which would use like horsehair). Speaking of which...I'd like to get a violin bow sometime. But that's just off-topic.
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