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Unread 02-02-2003, 02:20 PM   #46
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Actually, you cannot get any of the sounds produced by the Jellifish from a pedal.

A chorus pedal or a 12-string guitar are the closest comparisons most commonly made with respect to the Chorus! technique using the Jellifish. But Cliff over at the Ovation Fan Club had this to say about the Chorus! technique:

"When I strummed my SlotHead with it sounded amazing! I usually keep it in Double-Drop D tuning and when strumming open chords with it, it sounded like a big, bronze windchime!! All of the notes were big, and bright and ringing. It sounded like an autoharp on steroids!! Nice!!!! Even if I just used it on certain instances just with this guitar, it was well worth the investment."

There are *no* pedals that even come close to getting one the Pluck! and Bow! sounds. If you are *not* persuaded of this, then please watch (and *listen*) to the QuickTime versions of these videos in their high-bandwidth format (the videos default to a low bandwidth, 56K version on opening, so you'll have to use the drop-down menu beneath the player window to choose the higher bandwidth options.)

The EBow is the closest comparison to the Bow! technique that can be made, and as most of us have learned from experience, despite its cool sounds, the EBow has a steep learning curve and is awkward. More importantly, if you are an acoustic guitarist, the EBow doesn't work very well. In contrast, the Jellifish works *fantastically* well on acoustic guitars.

As for Pluck! there's nothing other than the Jellifish that will let you get that dulcimer or harpsichord-like sound out of your guitar.

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Unread 02-02-2003, 02:40 PM   #47
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Re: So much negativity...

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Just as Evil taunted God's creation, so too we see Evil alive and well today as it frown's upon any man or woman's effort to bring new ideas into existence from the void of nothingness.
what the heck are you talking about?
are you saying that people who doesn't like your product is evil?

man... if you wanna sell stuff, please don't do it in this forum.

don't get the impression that i am telling you leave this forum. I'm just telling you to stop imposing your views of your product on people. THe last thing we need in these forums is a salesperson shoving their product in people's faces.

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Actually, you cannot get any of the sounds produced by the Jellifish from a pedal.
the issue is not whether people want the jellyfish to sound like they have a chorus pedal or not. it's about whether the jellyfish can produce a PLEASING sound... and as Mr. Squeaky stated.. no it does not.
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I've never seen one of these in stores? Do they exist in stores?

btw Robb...I'm really construing what you have to say as heresy, I mean,
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any man or woman's effort to bring new ideas into existence from the void of nothingness.
is such a load...I dont' want to even start. In the BIble it already says that "there is no new thing under the sun." Neither you nor I can bring something from nothing (creatio ex nihilo), only God can.

If someone doesn't like your product, then get over it. I might try it sometime if a friend of mine had one, but I wouldn't pay $20 for it just to test it. I listened to the sound sample on high quality again...and I still believe that those sounds can be reproduced with a pedal or a floorboard (because I've seen it done with floorboards before). I understand that doesn't help when you're playing by yourself with no electronics.

Lastly, I've been able to get similar tones using cymbal guitar picks. The one I had I believe was actually made out of nickel (I gave it to a friend because I never used it). I really beat the heck outta my strings, but it gave it a very different tone. I've also been able to replicate the "12-string" sound when I've broken Fender THin picks to a "v" shape that allows two edges to hit the string instead of one.
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Lastly, I've been able to get similar tones using cymbal guitar picks. The one I had I believe was actually made out of nickel (I gave it to a friend because I never used it).
This is exactly what I was thinking when I listened to the examples.
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Re: So much negativity...

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Sad to see there's so much negativity in a Christian guitar forum

Elijah, thanks for being open to the spirit of ingenuity. Curiousity and creativity go hand in hand. Just as Evil taunted God's creation, so too we see Evil alive and well today as it frown's upon any man or woman's effort to bring new ideas into existence from the void of nothingness. To answer your question, Phil Keaggy has been trying the Jellifish since December. I believe he is on tour right now, so the soonest you'd hear it on his recordings (if at all) will be on his next album.

Reags, what you overlook in stating that your homemade version of the Jellifish is "free" is the opportunity cost of your (or someone else's) time. Having made the Jellifish by hand since 1998, I know that the fastest they can be produced in this manner is about 1 every 20 minutes. I think you will find that 20 minutes of your time is better spent *using* the Jellifish than making it.

Squeeky, the Jellifish amplifies one's volume. This is a matter of fact and physics. If your volume is reduced, it is because you are using it in a way other than that which is intended. This is also supported by your statement that the Jellifish broke on you. Each Jellifish will last 2 to 3 months if used properly (as in the videos).

When one first encounters something new, it is wisest to be open to allowing that thing to guide one's actions. But it is also a very Western tendency to think that we already know how to use everything. It is no different with the Jellifish. If you are open to its sounds and techniques, they will come to you. If you attempt to impose your "knowledge" upon it, then perhaps you will be disappointed. Trying to translate one's knowlege of steering a bicycle to driving a car would produce much the same results.

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hi robb......dude....
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1) i dunno if you realise, but the statement i made about my homemade 'reagsypick' was actually a 'joke' :kshock: (yes 'jokes' (in all its lameness) does in fact exist in the 'Christian world')

2) since your reply to my 'reagsypick' sounded so....authentic & serious - i think taking 20mins to make one in order to test the sound is much cheaper than paying $10USD (translates to around $16AUD) for one - besides im in Sydney & im not exactly intending to wait anxiously for a pick.

3) i agree with doc_99 - "are you saying that people who doesn't like your product is evil?"
believe it or not, 'free will' does exist in the 'Christian world' too :keek:

4) again im with doc - tis awesome having you around this board, but please dun 'pick bash' us with the salesman facade.

thank you please come again
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Unread 02-03-2003, 08:55 AM   #51
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Heresy?!?

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btw Robb...I'm really construing what you have to say as heresy
God is the creator of *all* things, and -- on Earth -- God uses men and women as the conduits for His creations. It is not heresy to say that inventors and artists of all kinds bring something from nothingness, for they do so at God's Will.

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I can't think of a single inventor or artist who has ever brought something from nothingness.
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I can't think of a single inventor or artist who has ever brought something from nothingness.
I can, GOD!!!
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If you wanna have a theological debate on the newness of the Jellifish the theology forum would serve nicely Personally I think y'all are WAY over-reacting but this is not the place to discuss that.

I find it funny though that people are complaining about it being $10 for one and then saying you can just use pedals, which, at cheapest, are $20 each.

A question for Robb though. You say you've been making them since 1998. That's about 5 years but I'd still say it's a relatively new product. Is it still in development and testing where it's gonna be improved upon with newer models? Just curious.
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If you wanna have a theological debate on the newness of the Jellifish the theology forum would serve nicely Personally I think y'all are WAY over-reacting but this is not the place to discuss that.

I find it funny though that people are complaining about it being $10 for one and then saying you can just use pedals, which, at cheapest, are $20 each.

A question for Robb though. You say you've been making them since 1998. That's about 5 years but I'd still say it's a relatively new product. Is it still in development and testing where it's gonna be improved upon with newer models? Just curious.
according to Robb, a Jellifish pick lasts 1-2mths if used properly. A pedal lasts a lifetime if used properly & you could also resale it on ebay if you're bored of it or for whatever reason. Pedals come with warranty as well. So if you put it that way - 3 picks = 1 pedal, I'd run to the pedal, but thats just me
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according to Robb, a Jellifish pick lasts 1-2mths if used properly.
My regular picks last longer than that so I don't think that would be a problem.

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A pedal lasts a lifetime if used properly & you could also resale it on ebay if you're bored of it or for whatever reason. Pedals come with warranty as well. So if you put it that way - 3 picks = 1 pedal, I'd run to the pedal, but thats just me
Ok, so find what pedals you'd need to imitate the sound and tell me how much it would be.
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I'd be willing to bet you could replicate them with an RP100 or an RP200...so that's between $100-200 (USD) for something that will last a very long time and will do more than just those three sounds.
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yes a regular pick does last alot longer than 1-2mths. the reason why jellifish prolly wont last longer is cos of the metal bristles which may likely wear out faster than a regular pick. anyways i just quoted what robb said thats all.

ive got a gt-6 & does all that & sounds better anyways.

but thats not the point - im not here to start any arguments bob - if u find cheap thrills spending 10 bucks USD on a pick, then go for it - its all good.
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I'd be willing to bet you could replicate them with an RP100 or an RP200...so that's between $100-200 (USD) for something that will last a very long time and will do more than just those three sounds.
I'd be willing to bet you're right since I own the RP300. But, for one thing, it's not the same, another thing, that's not for acoustic, lol.
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If you had an a/e you'd be able to replicate it.
My p&w leader has been able to get similar sounds with the Beringer V-Amp2 (using a pickuped Yamaha F-310). I understand this doesn't help your case at all if you just have a straight acoustic, but when someone asks "which pedals" it's assumed that you're usuing something you can plug in.
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