12-13-2002, 08:27 AM
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#1 | | I can't understand you...
Joined: May 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 11,409
| Are all made in God's image? Or only christians (a.k.a elect)?
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12-13-2002, 10:47 AM
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#2 | | Banned
Joined: Oct 2001 Location: The LBK Posts: 17,281
| I think it refers to all human beings, perhaps in the capacity to make decisions, reason, think, etc (things that animals don't have). |
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12-13-2002, 12:06 PM
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#3 | | 0204
Joined: Jul 2002 Location: VA Beach Posts: 3,221
| Quote: Originally posted by Travis ...(things that animals don't have). | Now I'm not quite sure that i would agree with you here.
One example: Dogs
Dogs seem to be able to think, make decisions, I'm not sure about reason (but it hasn't been disproven). |
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12-13-2002, 12:52 PM
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#4 | | There's no need to fear
Joined: Jul 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 619
| I'd say it's all humans. I also think the ability to reason the thing that differentiates us. It's our desire to worship. People worship. We all worship something. Animals don't build altars or temples, whether it be to Zeus, Allah or The Living God. People worship.
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12-13-2002, 01:45 PM
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#5 | | workhardworkharder
Joined: Sep 2001 Location: There Posts: 9,349
| Quote:
One example: Dogs
Dogs seem to be able to think, make decisions, I'm not sure about reason (but it hasn't been disproven).
| Exactly, they seem to be able to think and make decisions. Since dogs haven't been shown to have any sentient thought, I'd chalk this one up to instinct. |
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12-13-2002, 02:06 PM
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#6 | | הדו ליהוה כי־טוב
Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Chicago area Posts: 8,847
| t.j., check out Psalm 148: Quote: |
Praise the LORD from the earth, you great sea creatures and all ocean depths, lightning and hail, snow and clouds, stormy winds that do his bidding, you mountains and all hills, fruit trees and all cedars, wild animals and all cattle, small creatures and flying birds, kings of the earth and all nations, you princes and all rulers on earth, young men and maidens, old men and children.
| I think that what separates us from animals is not our worship, but rather the fact that we often choose not to worship. I think that being made in the image of God is not one thing or another (as some say, referring to reason, or creativity, or 'the soul'), but the holistic experience of being human altogether. You can't say, "I'm made in the image of God because I can think" or "...because I have a soul", but rather, "...because I'm human." |
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12-13-2002, 02:10 PM
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#7 | | Registered User
Joined: May 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 10
| I think it has to do with a couple of things, first, our free will. Second, our ability to create. And thirdly, our ability to love. |
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12-13-2002, 10:10 PM
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#8 | | Registered User
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 432
| ahh it is blatantly obvious if you erad your bible folks.
genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth
so this says:
we are created in Gods image, or at least originally and then we are the same asit goes on from our parents so we are made in GOds image, everyone of us
we have dominion over animals, we were made like God, and we were made to be above the animals.
[also note as you read on that originally all creatures and humans were 'vegetarian'. nothing to do with this just interesting i think]
the reason we are different is because God made us that way, we have a difeernt kind of intelligence, we have emotions and that kinda hting, we have organisation, we wear clothers bla bla. we know good and evil, we are like God [i think it is like spiritually as a pose to physically] |
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12-13-2002, 10:21 PM
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#9 | | הדו ליהוה כי־טוב
Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Chicago area Posts: 8,847
| Quote: Originally posted by waqi13 ahh it is blatantly obvious if you erad your bible folks.
genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. | So we're made in God's image in that we have authority, according to your logic... Quote: 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. |
So God is male and female... Quote: 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth |
So, according to your logic, if we are in God's image because we have dominion over all the earth, and subdue it, then God's image is to be a conqueror. Why would God have to conquer what He creates? Quote:
so this says:
we are created in Gods image, or at least originally and then we are the same asit goes on from our parents so we are made in GOds image, everyone of us
we have dominion over animals, we were made like God, and we were made to be above the animals.
| I think you've missed the point if you think that dominion is how we're made in God's image. Rather, again, I say that there isn't one thing or a thousand that make us like God. There's no way to say what it means other than, "We are made in God's image" because it is a holistic thing. Quote: |
[also note as you read on that originally all creatures and humans were 'vegetarian'. nothing to do with this just interesting i think]
| Only if
a) You interpret God's words to mean that only 'every green plant' was meant for food, and
b) You believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis chapter 1, neither of which applies to me.
the reason we are different is because God made us that way, we have a difeernt kind of intelligence, we have emotions and that kinda hting, we have organisation, we wear clothers bla bla. we know good and evil, we are like God [i think it is like spiritually as a pose to physically] [/B][/QUOTE] |
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12-13-2002, 11:14 PM
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#10 | | For old time's sake
Joined: Jan 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,522
| Quote: Originally posted by Ted Logan
So God is male and female... | I most definitely believe that God is male and female |
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12-14-2002, 12:11 AM
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#11 | | Puts the sexy in dyslexia | genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
So man is created in God's image. What image is that? According to the well known song, "Jesus is all white with me." So it seems pretty obvious that white males have been created in God's image, I don't see any scriptural evidence for anyone else. 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Isn't it odd how the distinction is made here? It never says God created women in His image. Only men. More specifically, white men. To say that God is both man and woman is ridiculous. |
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12-14-2002, 12:30 AM
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#12 | | Banned
Joined: Oct 2001 Location: The LBK Posts: 17,281
| Quote: Originally posted by Ted Logan So God is male and female... | Well I would say that God trancends both the male and the female. He's certainly not only male. God doesn't have DNA and He does not possess genitalia so He can't truly be classified as either. |
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12-14-2002, 12:31 AM
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#13 | | Banned
Joined: Oct 2001 Location: The LBK Posts: 17,281
| Quote: Originally posted by Dr. Worm More specifically, white men. | What!?!?!? I see nothing in that verse that specifies Adam as being white. |
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12-14-2002, 12:33 AM
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#14 | | Registered User
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 432
| Quote: Originally posted by Ted Logan So we're made in God's image in that we have authority, according to your logic...
So God is male and female...
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So, according to your logic, if we are in God's image because we have dominion over all the earth, and subdue it, then God's image is to be a conqueror. Why would God have to conquer what He creates?
I think you've missed the point if you think that dominion is how we're made in God's image. Rather, again, I say that there isn't one thing or a thousand that make us like God. There's no way to say what it means other than, "We are made in God's image" because it is a holistic thing.
Only if
a) You interpret God's words to mean that only 'every green plant' was meant for food, and
b) You believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis chapter 1, neither of which applies to me.
the reason we are different is because God made us that way, we have a difeernt kind of intelligence, we have emotions and that kinda hting, we have organisation, we wear clothers bla bla. we know good and evil, we are like God [i think it is like spiritually as a pose to physically] [/B]
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uhh what? i didnt say that we are like God because we ahve dominion. I said
1. in reply to the thread title we are made in GOds image, yes all of us.
2. In reply to the questions psoed within the thread on the subject of the difference between man and animals: saying that man i sdifferent because we have been made like God and that God made us in control of the animals.
I dont know how you saw that i said what you said i said but it isnt what i meant to say! |
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12-14-2002, 12:36 AM
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#15 | | Puts the sexy in dyslexia | You must have heard the DC Talk song "Jesus is all white." You know, Jesus is just all white with me....
DC Talk is a christian band, I see no reason for them to lie. So obviously Jesus was white. Jesus is God, so God is obviously white. If Adam was created in God's image, he must have been white too. |
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