[victor]

Cory

[Jozeca]

C chord + the second note in the scale: So in the case C2 (also called C9) would be a C chord with a D added. It's the same with any other chord.

[maadio]

Originally posted by Jozeca
C chord + the second note in the scale: So in the case C2 (also called C9) would be a C chord with a D added. It's the same with any other chord.

Actually, it's not a C9. A 9th chord is when you add not only the second to the basic chord (root, 3rd, 5th), but you also add the 7th.

Thus a C9 (C Major minor ninth, to be quite technical) = Root (C) + 2nd (D) + Major 3rd (E) + 5th (G) + minor 7th (B flat)

Also, there really isn't such a thing as a C2. You're either thinking of Csus2 or Cadd9.

Cadd9 is the triad (root, 3rd, 5th) and the 2nd.

Csus2 is the triad (root, 3rd, 5th) minus the 3rd, plus the 2nd.

Take your pick.

Oh yeah if you want a fingering for one of those, I'd go with 032030

-Andy

[Xt4J]

E - 0
A - 3
D - 2
G - 0
B - 3
e - 3

this might be more helpful

[Jozeca]

Originally posted by plaid_child
Actually, it's not a C9. A 9th chord is when you add not only the second to the basic chord (root, 3rd, 5th), but you also add the 7th.

Thus a C9 (C Major minor ninth, to be quite technical) = Root (C) + 2nd (D) + Major 3rd (E) + 5th (G) + minor 7th (B flat)

Also, there really isn't such a thing as a C2. You're either thinking of Csus2 or Cadd9.

Cadd9 is the triad (root, 3rd, 5th) and the 2nd.

Csus2 is the triad (root, 3rd, 5th) minus the 3rd, plus the 2nd.

Take your pick.

Oh yeah if you want a fingering for one of those, I'd go with 032030

-Andy

Wow! Thanks! Rats, I wish I knew more about music theory. One day. . . .

[R2D2]

Originally posted by plaid_child
Also, there really isn't such a thing as a C2. You're either thinking of Csus2 or Cadd9.

There is such a thing as C2 - it's simply a different way of writing Cadd9. I've seen it written on many published jazz charts.

Personally, I prefer to say "C2" because it's easier to say and write than Cadd9, and the vast majority of the time, it's ok to use a voicing which omits the third or use one that includes the third. There are times when it's important to omit the third, in which case Csus2 is a better name to call a chord. But most times, C2 is used in place of a normal C major triad, in which case the third can be there or it can be omitted - either way, the chord will still sound somewhat "major" (even times when the third is omitted). After all, what voicing a performer chooses to use is mostly up to them.

[Nathanael]

I stumbled over these concepts a few threads ago...

It's all much clearer now, thanks r2 and plaid.

[everyman]

"2" chords turn up quite frequently in chord charts for contemporary Christian music. The "C2" chord is basically an altered C major chord. Whenever you see C2 on a song sheet, you can play a Cadd9, a Csus2, or even a plain C chord, depending on which voicing you think fits best into your overall arrangement. In other words, unless you want to sound exactly like the recording, you have a degree of latitude in deciding how to play the chord.

Here are some possible fingerings whenever you see a notation for a C2 chord:

0-3-2-0-3-3 (this fits well with G chord 3-2-0-0-3-3)

0-3-2-0-3-0 (open string voicing)

8-x-10-9-8-10 (moveable chord; play the 6th string with your thumb)

x-x-10-12-13-10 (moveable chord)

[maadio]

Or you could do a Cadd9 like x-x-10-9-8-10 or something.

[Michael]

wow


Michael

[MJ_Avalanche]

C2 fingering: 032033
C2 theory: 1 2 3 5
C9 fingering: no clue... Haven't bothered to figure it out yet...
C9 theory: 1 3 5 b7 and 2 or 9, since they are same, just different pitches. (if I'm not mistaken anyways...)

Hopefully, i remember my theory lessons so they can pay off here soon... My teacher really explains it really simply... He even proposed to colleges, but they rejected it because it's so much simpler than what they teach there... I get basically the same thing that the music majors get for $20,000 a year, for $90 a month... lol

[Pete_H]

Would the theory described above be applicable to other chords, say an F or A?

[MJ_Avalanche]

Originally posted by Pete_H
Would the theory described above be applicable to other chords, say an F or A?

Yeah, actually. Or, at least, one would think so.

(I know my theory does... hehe)

[gt8gtrman]

The C2 chord is technically the same as the C9 but the 9 chord generally implies the flatted 7th in the chord. Some theorists say there is no such thing as a 2 chord but it is driven more by what occurs at the listener's ear. The Csus2 or Cadd9 or C2 are all the same thing by different names. However sus is the indicator for a suspension which usually implies resolution with the 2 either becoming a tonic or 3rd (less frequent). I think what we have seen is the transformation within the context of music theory where in the 2 chord has earned its own place in the harmonic structure. Clapton uses it in the his liver version of Wonderful Tonight to give a more ethereal sound to the 4 chord.
Another interesting concept in music theory rules is enharmonics wherein two differently named notes have the same sound. For example C#=Db. Same exact note but with a different name to coply with the rules of the key signature of the song. The two notes are enharmonically the same. Class dismissed... LOL - Keep rocking for the king Jesus Christ.

[tenwatt]

Wow! This thread is eight years old. If they haven't figured it out by now they probably never will.