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Unread 12-29-2002, 08:59 PM   #106
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Fender is not awesome in everything, they make nice basses, nice acoustics, decent electrics, decent bass amps, and crappy guitar amps.

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Unread 12-30-2002, 12:54 AM   #107
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Fender is not awesome in everything, they make nice basses, nice acoustics, decent electrics, decent bass amps, and crappy guitar amps.
i've got a fender amp and it's great... i have a more dynamic sound than i had with an equally sized marshall. plus the power is great... a lot of watts=always a good thing
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Unread 12-31-2002, 07:43 PM   #108
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Fender is not awesome in everything, they make nice basses, nice acoustics, decent electrics, decent bass amps, and crappy guitar amps.
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I can't believe you just said that! Yes they are (awesome in everything)! I don't know much about their bass stuff although I want to buy one in a few years. But I do know about their electrics and there awesome not decent. And crappy guitar amps! I just got a new Princeton 65 DSP and its awesome. Why do you think there crappy, and their guitars decent?
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Unread 01-01-2003, 11:48 AM   #109
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Fender is not awesome in everything, they make nice basses, nice acoustics, decent electrics, decent bass amps, and crappy guitar amps.


That is kind of an ignorant statement. I think all you want to do is argue. Leo Fender invented the solid body guitar which happened top be the Telecaster. And as for amps, the MOST used studio amp out there is a Fender Champ. The Twin Reverb is a world class amp, as are all the other tube amps they make. Even the SS amp offerings are on par with everyone else and in most cases better.

That said I love the strat. Teles however are responsible for the Solid body guitar movement of the 50's. The first Zepplin album was recorded with a tele, including the famous solo in "stairway to heaven". Keith Richards brought the Tele to the forfront in the 60's. If you are looking for the clarity and sustian like Kieth and Jimmy got, you have to use a tele. Nothing else will even come close. THEY GOT SERIOUS SPANK GOING ON.

I have a strat that I put a lil59 in the bridge position. but I do believe I will be getting a tele in the future. I also whant a Les Paul ans an ES-335, to round out the stable. That group would make my Peavey Classic 50/212 sing.
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in my opinion , i think strats look better bu ti don't know about the quality and stuf.

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That is kind of an ignorant statement. I think all you want to do is argue. Leo Fender invented the solid body guitar which happened top be the Telecaster. And as for amps, the MOST used studio amp out there is a Fender Champ. The Twin Reverb is a world class amp, as are all the other tube amps they make. Even the SS amp offerings are on par with everyone else and in most cases better.

That said I love the strat. Teles however are responsible for the Solid body guitar movement of the 50's. The first Zepplin album was recorded with a tele, including the famous solo in "stairway to heaven". Keith Richards brought the Tele to the forfront in the 60's. If you are looking for the clarity and sustian like Kieth and Jimmy got, you have to use a tele. Nothing else will even come close. THEY GOT SERIOUS SPANK GOING ON.

I have a strat that I put a lil59 in the bridge position. but I do believe I will be getting a tele in the future. I also whant a Les Paul ans an ES-335, to round out the stable. That group would make my Peavey Classic 50/212 sing.
I do beleive it was an opinion rather than an ignorant statement. Les Paul invented the solidbody electric, it's called the log my friend and it's the first solidbody electric guitar ever made. Sort of an odd looking creature that originally had phone parts in it for pickups. That led zeppelin solo was played on a les paul, as was almost all Zeppelin stuff. The slide parts were on a danelectro and his tele was his BACK UP guitar. In no way shape or form was Stairway to heaven recorded on a tele. Notice the lack of twang on the song. As far as nothing coming close to the sustain and clarity of tele, ummm It's called a Les Paul and you won't find many people that think a tele has better sustain than a Les Paul. I also beleive it whips it on clarity too, but I'll leave that one up for debate, sustain however, Les Paul wins hands down.

I actually think Fender amps are one of their best products, Marshall and others are better but I like Fender amps. Some fender models are great(Jaguar, tele), others horrible (strat). Their acoustic are just plain horrible tho, I don't know how anyone could like those.
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Unread 01-01-2003, 06:43 PM   #112
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You are wrong. That WAS an ignorant statement and there was no shred of opinion in it. To say all Fender amps are bad is ignorant. I mean come on ALL of them, not one good one ever. Surely you see the folly in that. Maybe one only likes early Marshalls, can you say Fender Bassman. There is no PERFECT amp out there. They all have their own character and sound that makes them unique. (of course I am only speaking of vintage tube amps, not new SS stuff, that is another discussion all in itself.)

The first Zepplin album WAS recorded mostly with a Tele and the solo in Stairway to Heaven was also a Tele, that was given to Jimmy Page as a gift from Eric Clapton. This comes from several interviews and documentaries I have seen and read. I did not just pull that out of thin air. And yes I did notice the great amount of twang in the song. Which comes from a TELECASTER, and a VOX amp, if I remember correctly. I know he mostly used a Les Paul, but on the first record there was a bunch of Tele comming at you.
I have even seen live performances of Stairway to Heaven in which he uses a Tele. I have also seen him use the gibson.

You should reread my post before you speak, I NEVER said that a TELE had the greatest sustain. I did say that if you want to get clarity and sustain like Jimmy Page ( on the first record ) and Keith Richards, you will need a TELE. A Gibson Les Paul win not pull of the Stones well at all, especially in an open G tuning.

The first PRODUCTION solidbody guitar to hit the market was the TELE. This LOG thing is not a production guitar one could buy, nor was it even a special order custom shop guitar. It was an experiment.

I don't know if any one guitar is better ( les paul, strat, telt, es-335, gibson SG ) They all do different things, and sound different. As do amps.
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You are wrong. That WAS an ignorant statement and there was no shred of opinion in it. To say all Fender amps are bad is ignorant. I mean come on ALL of them, not one good one ever. Surely you see the folly in that. Maybe one only likes early Marshalls, can you say Fender Bassman. There is no PERFECT amp out there. They all have their own character and sound that makes them unique. (of course I am only speaking of vintage tube amps, not new SS stuff, that is another discussion all in itself.)

The first Zepplin album WAS recorded mostly with a Tele and the solo in Stairway to Heaven was also a Tele, that was given to Jimmy Page as a gift from Eric Clapton. This comes from several interviews and documentaries I have seen and read. I did not just pull that out of thin air. And yes I did notice the great amount of twang in the song. Which comes from a TELECASTER, and a VOX amp, if I remember correctly. I know he mostly used a Les Paul, but on the first record there was a bunch of Tele comming at you.
I have even seen live performances of Stairway to Heaven in which he uses a Tele. I have also seen him use the gibson.

You should reread my post before you speak, I NEVER said that a TELE had the greatest sustain. I did say that if you want to get clarity and sustain like Jimmy Page ( on the first record ) and Keith Richards, you will need a TELE. A Gibson Les Paul win not pull of the Stones well at all, especially in an open G tuning.

The first PRODUCTION solidbody guitar to hit the market was the TELE. This LOG thing is not a production guitar one could buy, nor was it even a special order custom shop guitar. It was an experiment.

I don't know if any one guitar is better ( les paul, strat, telt, es-335, gibson SG ) They all do different things, and sound different. As do amps.
I was taking his quote in the whole, decent electrics nice basses, whatever else it was, obviously you were only talking about the amps. I still say ignorant is a bit harsh and he is probably generalizing from the fender amps that he has played (which would not be ignorant) and not speaking of every single fender amp ever made. I don't see the world all in his statement, so I think it's fair to say that he ment a majority of them. I wouldn't say a majority of fender amps are bad, but if someone else does, that's their opinion.

You said "nothing else will even come close" to the sustain and clarity that Jimmy and Keith got from tele's, this implyes (quite heavily) that a Les Paul wouldn't give you equal or greater sustain and clarity-and it will.

I still hear no tele in stairway to heaven and everytime I have ever seen it played live it's on a Les Paul. Citation please??

Just wanted to point out that Les Paul invented the first electric guitar, not Leo Fender
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umm...

just a quick Q...

what does debating whether LP or LF made the first electric have to do with the topic at hand?
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umm...

just a quick Q...

what does debating whether LP or LF made the first electric have to do with the topic at hand?
Nothing really, sorry about getting off topic. It just kinda erks me when people say that Leo invented the electric guitar cause i think that takes away from Les Paul's role big time. Either way, It's off topic and I apologize.
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Fender has great guitars and basses, but I wouldn't trust them with much else. For pretty much everything I go to Carvin, though.
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Fender has great guitars and basses, but I wouldn't trust them with much else. For pretty much everything I go to Carvin, though.
By your sig it looks like you go to Carvin for basses too
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It just kinda erks me when people say that Leo invented the electric guitar cause i think that takes away from Les Paul's role big time.
Dude, can you read? Did anyone say that LF INVENTED the ELE guitar?......I didn't think so. They said he MADE the first PRODUCTION ELE guitar. And have you ever played a tele for more than 15 minutes? I doubt you did because if you did then you would now that tele's have great sustain being a string-through body. And you actually think anyone is going to believe that tele's have poor clarity? PHE! Their tone is bright, crisp and is for sure clear.
Oh, btw, it was ignorant to say that ALL fender amps are crappy. How can thousands of artists be wrong? ANd fender amps are probably the best amps I've ever played. Especially the tube amps. They have excellent power, great clean tones and driving distorion. Go find an amp that has all that plus great built-in effects.

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That is kind of an ignorant statement. I think all you want to do is argue. Leo Fender invented the solid body guitar which happened top be the Telecaster. And as for amps, the MOST used studio amp out there is a Fender Champ. The Twin Reverb is a world class amp, as are all the other tube amps they make. Even the SS amp offerings are on par with everyone else and in most cases better.

That said I love the strat. Teles however are responsible for the Solid body guitar movement of the 50's. The first Zepplin album was recorded with a tele, including the famous solo in "stairway to heaven". Keith Richards brought the Tele to the forfront in the 60's. If you are looking for the clarity and sustian like Kieth and Jimmy got, you have to use a tele. Nothing else will even come close. THEY GOT SERIOUS SPANK GOING ON.

I have a strat that I put a lil59 in the bridge position. but I do believe I will be getting a tele in the future. I also whant a Les Paul ans an ES-335, to round out the stable. That group would make my Peavey Classic 50/212 sing.
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And have you ever played a tele for more than 15 minutes? I doubt you did because if you did then you would now that tele's have great sustain being a string-through body. And you actually think anyone is going to believe that tele's have poor clarity? PHE! Their tone is bright, crisp and is for sure clear.

Oh, btw, it was ignorant to say that ALL fender amps are crappy. How can thousands of artists be wrong? ANd fender amps are probably the best amps I've ever played. Especially the tube amps. They have excellent power, great clean tones and driving distorion. Go find an amp that has all that plus great built-in effects.

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