How do Jesus' teachings refute literal Millenium?

bobthecockroach · 10-07-2002, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by brown07
FYI - Jesus' teachings about his kingdom refute the possibility of a future, literal, earthly 1000 year kingdom. Take a look at what Jesus said about his kingdom - either the millenium is now or Jesus was talking about a different kingdom altogether. Just an interesting point that most dispensationalists ignore.

This was is another thread. I'm copying because it would be totally off-topic in the other thread. So, I don't see anything in Jesus' teachings the refute that possibility. What am I missing?

brown07 · 10-07-2002, 11:39 AM

Let's start with "My Kingdom is not of this world."

That's Jesus' specific answer to Pilate's question about whether or not he is king. Jesus didn't make a distinction between two different kinds of kingdoms. He's talking about his kingdom. Singular. And he says that it's not of this world. He says that his kingdom is not of this world.

To look for a literal, future, millenium is to fall into the same trap that Jesus' contemporary Jews had fallen into, which is why they missed the boat on him altogether.

bobthecockroach · 10-07-2002, 05:43 PM

So you don't think Jesus is going to return and set up His kingdom on earth? And what verse (assuming it is one) is that you posted?

Kati · 10-07-2002, 06:39 PM

He's referring to John 18:35-36, I think...

"Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?" Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

bobthecockroach · 10-07-2002, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Kati
He's referring to John 18:35-36, I think...

"Am I a Jew?" Pilate replied. "It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?" Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

ahh.. thanks kati..... so why couldn't Jesus set up His kingdom on this world? or why can't there be a physical kingdom and a spiritual kingdom? There's a physical church (the building) and a spiritual church (the body of believers)

brown07 · 10-08-2002, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by bobthecockroach
ahh.. thanks kati..... so why couldn't Jesus set up His kingdom on this world? or why can't there be a physical kingdom and a spiritual kingdom? There's a physical church (the building) and a spiritual church (the body of believers)

Except the physical church is never mentioned in the Bible. It's an invention of the REAL church, the body of believers (although it is a necessary one).

And there isn't any reason that Jesus couldn't set up his kingdom on earth. It's just that he never said that he would, and a consistent examination of end-time prophecy tends to eliminate that possibility.

bobthecockroach · 10-08-2002, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by brown07
And there isn't any reason that Jesus couldn't set up his kingdom on earth. It's just that he never said that he would, and a consistent examination of end-time prophecy tends to eliminate
that possibility.

you have verses for support?