[joslar15]

Originally posted by Bob_The_Veggie
Yo Jo!
You need a good Episcopal service! What kind of church were you visiting?

It was during a Walk to Emmaus, a Methodist variation of Catholic Cursillo.

Unfortunately, the only Episcopal I know is a practicing adultress!!!

Although I have a very close friend who was an Episcopal who is now a Lutheran

[Amanda]

Zwinglian? Calvinist? Lutheran? Catholic?

I'm not quite sure--Bryan, help me out on this, Baptists are traditionally Calvinistic, correct?

What are the aforementioned views? (I'm still kinda learning about this, help me out, guys!)

[+Donny]

well, i expected more debate..

the main thing I have trouble with is really identifying the major difference between Calvin's and Zwingli's. The way I understand it, Calvin didnt think the substance of accidens (i can never remember the spelling) of the bread or wine changed, but that there was some spiritual significance (God's Spirit was present), while Zwingli thought it was exclusively in remembrance, and the spiritual significance of the Calvinistic viewpoint was gone.

If im right, why is the Calvinistic view superior?

(Me) Heh... I think you know the answer of we "nasty" Presbyterians

Actually, your quite nice (I use "you're" because, though my theology puts me in the reformed presbyterian camp, my full preterism and lack of devotion or knowledge to the WCF or any creed or old confession for that matter, boots me right back out), except when you get to eschatology.
Im getting deep into liturgy right now, and I must say, I have reduced the options down to Minimalist (Puritans) and Liturgical (with varying degrees). The Minimalist standpoint is too dispensationalistic for me. The other three forms (im getting these from one of James Jordan's books), which are Quasi-minimalist (baptists overall), Theatrical, and Charismatic, were thrown out almost immediately.

(Superman) I believe it should be done on some form of regular basis (I do it once a year)

(Me) (not debating) lol we do it once a week. I guess our conceptions of a "regular basis" differ However, your yearly position is somewhat historic (Easter only/Passover Feast).

I think its quite important to do once a week.

[Chrysostom]

(Donny) the main thing I have trouble with is really identifying the major difference between Calvin's and Zwingli's. The way I understand it, Calvin didnt think the substance of accidens (i can never remember the spelling) of the bread or wine changed, but that there was some spiritual significance (God's Spirit was present), while Zwingli thought it was exclusively in remembrance, and the spiritual significance of the Calvinistic viewpoint was gone.

(Me) Zwingli held the "memorial" view, saying that Communion is only a remembrance. Calvin affirmed a real presence (taught in John 6), but denied any alteration of substance (transubstantiation teaches that the elements change into Christ's body and blood, and the Lutheran view of consubstantiation is similar to the Catholic).



(Donny) If im right, why is the Calvinistic view superior?

(Me) Calvin's view affirms Christ's teachings on the Lord's supper do affirm a real presence ("This IS my body"), but escapes the pitfalls of affirming the true metamorphosis of elements into Christ's body and blood.

[Chrysostom]

(superchick) I'm not quite sure--Bryan, help me out on this, Baptists are traditionally Calvinistic, correct?

(Me) All Southern Baptists I know are Zwinglian. This view, also known as the "memorial" view, states that the Lord's Supper is nothing more than a memorial or remembrance. It rejects any notion of Christ's physical or spiritual presence in the elements themselves.