salvation

living for God · 09-10-2002, 01:41 AM

i was just woundering, i had a friend stay with last week and he asked me if you could loose your salvation and i don't really know the answer and i was woundering what your oppions where, or if you could help me. i thought that this would be the best place to ask

**Chrysostom** · 09-10-2002, 01:53 AM

Absolutely not, my friend. God will certainly be faithful!

John 6:37-40
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 10:27-29
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

Romans 8:29-30
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

Philippians 1:6
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

living for God · 09-10-2002, 01:57 AM

i hadn't really looked into it much, so thanks for the help/verses

Mike Graham · 09-10-2002, 06:40 PM

Though he was right, I just wanted to warn you, if you do not know, that this is an ongoing debate. Many people can make a more or less reasonable argument for "fall from grace," the theology of losing salvation. (Not losing it is called "once saved always saved" or "perseverence of the saints," the terms being virtually synonomous.

living for God · 10-06-2002, 06:14 AM

i just have another question on salvation,

getting saved is salvation ??? so i you can't lose your salvation than what happens when christians fall away for God, because as far as i know you won't go to heaven if you do, so then do you still have salvation or what is the go, i don't mean to start debatesover this i just want to understand.

keara

OnFireForGod · 10-06-2002, 07:31 AM

If you really were comitted to God, fully accepted and fully believed, at the time you were saved then you would STILL be saved. People go through low times sometimes though in any relationship spiritual or not. So, i think it all depends on if you really meant it at the time you were "saved"...except for God, no one can really know for sure though.

Just my 2 nickels worth

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Luke · 10-06-2002, 08:46 AM

A true Christian will ultimately persevere until the end (Matthew 24:13), because God will preserve them (Philippians 1:6, John 10:28-29).

The real question behind OSAS is really not, "Can a Christian lose his salvation", but "Can God lose a Christian" (thanks to Douglas Wilson for that profound thought...)

guyforGod · 10-06-2002, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luke

The real question behind OSAS is really not, "Can a Christian lose his salvation", but "Can God lose a Christian" (thanks to Douglas Wilson for that profound thought...)

ohhh I like that!

Colleen · 10-06-2002, 11:15 AM

It makes the most sense to me put this way:

Salvation is something that can't be lost. If we are walking with God, nothing can tear us from him! However, if we turn our back on Christ and do what we know is wrong without repenting or trying to change our ways, we aren't saved and aren't going to heaven.

Basically, you can't lose your salvation, but you can choose to leave it.

OnFireForGod · 10-06-2002, 08:16 PM

I disagree there, colleen.

Just because you decide to leave doesn't mean God will just keep walkin on without you. You can chose to leave God, disown God, renounce God, or whatever, but that doesn't mean that God will do the same, or not care and not do anything.

"I will never leave nor forsake you".

Scott · 10-06-2002, 08:42 PM

The argument there is that they were never saved in the first place.

OnFireForGod · 10-06-2002, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scott
The argument there is that they were never saved in the first place.

Who's post are you refering to?

Luke · 10-06-2002, 10:48 PM

(Colleen)
Basically, you can't lose your salvation, but you can choose to leave it.

(Luke)
Nothing can separate us from the love of Christ (Romans 8:38-39), including ourselves (we fall under the category of "any created thing").

smitty2622 · 10-06-2002, 11:09 PM

Ezekiel 18
24 "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die.

Smitty: Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die. There are many scriptures that speak to this issue. DO not be fooled by a false security.

25 "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear, O house of Israel: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die.

Smitty: The Lords ways are just it is ours that are not just. A righteous man can die from his sins. Make the Lord your security and follow him.

27 But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. 28 Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Are my ways unjust, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?
30 "Therefore, O house of Israel, I will judge you, each one according to his ways, declares the Sovereign LORD . Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD . Repent and live!

Smitty: AND the good news, turn , turn from your wicked ways the Lord will be there for you. The lord takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked turn repent and live..

Peace

living for God · 10-07-2002, 01:36 AM

thanks guys
i really apprecate your help, if anymore people have more verse i would love to know. i sort of want to find out all that i can.