[guitarplayer4jc]

Originally posted by romans1423
Other translations more accurate than the KJV? 'Kay, never heard that before. I've always heard that most modern ones rely on dynamic equivalency or some other form of paraphrase or rewording of the original content.

Most translations just use the original Greek texts and translate from that. Some paraphrase and some are word for word, depends on the translation. I think Zondervan covers the different translations on their website.

There is one version that I here is more "literal" than the KJV, but I doubt it's from the same original texts as the KJV is.

A lot of more modern translations use even older texts than KJV.

There can be Textus Receptus translations other than English -- the whole world deserves the Bible.

And I know you weren't calling me stupid or anything, and I appreciate that. I'm used to it anyway, though. I'm a fundamental, independent, KJV-only, old-fashioned Baptist... A lot of people seem to like insulting me for that, but hey, I count it joy.

Thanks for understanding. I always hate it when people think that I'm being a jerk about something because I disagree with them. That is totally not my intent.

If you wanna talk more and don't wanna like take up all of ChristianGuitar's forum, you're welcome to be the first to post in my forum. It's sorta new and I've never advertised it, but of course you and every one else is welcome. http://pub84.ezboard.com/bsoldiersofthecross37493

I checked out your forum... Looks pretty cool! I might register sometime. I agree with what you said about the internet being a great missionary opportunity. I've been on a New Age board for a couple of months now talking to the people there.

[Micah0Bob]

I like the NRSV

[Joel]

To tell you the truth........

ASV or NASB I would have to say are best. I really don't like the KJV that much for studying intently (though it is the one I read all the time) because it has "screwballed" alot of specific words, especially concerning the debate over Calvinism/Arminianism. I will check out those KJV-only sites though.....

[drbaron]

i prefer the NKJV myself. looks like some1 4got an option on the poll it seems pretty popular w/every1

[Joel]

Did it dawn on anyone else (concerning the KJV-only debate) that debating that fact is like debating whether Adam had a belly button or not? I do not mean to offend anyone, but it is kind of futile to debate that. Jesus commanded us to study the Word, not the KJV. In fact, the KJV didn't come till 1600 years after Christ!!!!!!!! What about the people who lived before that time? That's most of Christianity between 0-1600 A.D.!!!! I say, forget the "which translation" debate unless a translation is like the New World Translation (which JW's use). I say we as Christians just go to the world and get them to read the Bible!!! And for those who are fortunate enough, they don't have to worry about these debate: They just read the original texts!!!!!!

[guitarchiky]

Originally posted by Joel
Jesus commanded us to study the Word, not the KJV.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Jesus "commanded us to study the Bible"

In fact, the KJV didn't come till 1600 years after Christ!What about the people who lived before that time?

Actually this could be a good argument/point, if it were developed a bit more...

Originally posted by romans1423 Other translations more accurate than the KJV? 'Kay, never heard that before. I've always heard that most modern ones rely on dynamic equivalency or some other form of paraphrase or rewording of the original content. There is one version that I here is more "literal" than the KJV, but I doubt it's from the same original texts as the KJV is.

It sounds as though you are going on only what you've heard; have you actually studied the history of the KJV texts? If you had, you would know that it is a good thing some translations/paraphrase versions today have not been translated from the original KJV texts; Have you ever heard of Deridius Erasmus and the Textus Receptus?? Erasmus encountered many textual errors in his translation, some of which probably have never been corrected today.

Some helpful articles/resources on this subject:

Desiderius Erasmus' struggle to complete His translation (the KJV used today, and for close to three centuries, was translated from Erasmus' translation [to Greek from the Latin Vulgate and many other texts/translations; I will touch on this more later, but I want to note that I'm sure everyone knows that the original Bible authors, such as the disciples, did not write in Latin], and was revised 4 times [the final revision in 1720 I believe] before it was final...If I'm incorrect in any of this information, please correct me, someone):
http://aomin.org/erasmus.html

"Internet Resources for Students of Scripture"; I have not personally checked out everything offered here, but it sounds like this'll answer many of anyone's questions:
http://www.bible-researcher.com/index.html

Okay, now the biggest problem I have with KJV-onlyism and -onlyists is that KJV-onlyists say that the KJV is the most closely translated manuscript from the original author's texts; this claim is utterly preposterous, and if you study the history of these texts at all you would know why! KJV-onlyists seem to feel (the way they represent their views) that the KJV translation is as good as being the directly divinely inspired word of God; as though God wrote it down Himself! Now I'm sure that very few KJV-onlyists would actually admit to feeling this way (and it's possible that many KJV-onlyists don't actually believe this, though there are a few who don't give me reason to believe otherwise). The KJV is the result of several translations and re-translations and revision after revision; to say it is the most accurately translated is false! and there is no evidence to even suggest this.

You are not stupid romans1423, and I don't mean to offend you, but you are seriously misguided. Study some things first before you make such brash and bold claims to the KJV's authority and accuracy.

[guitarplayer4jc]

Oh, and if you really wanna study the NIV, check out this really great verse memory plan: http://www.biblebelievers.com/knox/knox2.html ... I GUARANTEE you can memorize over 15 verses in matter of minutes!!! Gotta love that NIV (No Intelligence Version, Non-Inspired Version, etc.).

LOL!!! I did it!! That's pretty funny, actually.

[drbaron]

what i find pretty funny is the fact that kjv-only people have bible verses to tell us about how you are only to use king james version. how could the bible tell us to use a translation not even translated yet? i always wondered about that.

[romans1423]

KJV-onlyists do not have KJV verses saying to only use the KJV. What we do have are verses that show that every word of God is pure, that nothing is to be added to or taken away from them, and things like that. Obviously, as a translation, the KJV had to have had words added to those of God; that's one area where the KJV shines, though, as those words are in italics to let us know that they are there through divine preservation, not inspiration. Obviously, other Bible versions have those verses as well. A KJV-onlyist who relies on their version to justify their version is guilty of using circular reasoning. Please don't use the mistakes of some to accuse the whole. Thanks.

KJV/Other Versions Debate Discussion, all are welcome: http://pub135.ezboard.com/fsoldiersofthecross37493frm5

[susie_moore]

Actally the Message isnt a translation it is a paraphrase and should not be used as a study bible.

Susie

'But my life is worth nothing unless I use it doing the work assigned me by my Lord the work of telling others the good news of Gods great kindness and love' Acts 20:24

[finalpigfantasy]

This discussion is very interesting. All I can say is that there is nothing new under the sun. When the Bible was first translated into German, English, etc., people also called it uninspired and destroying the Word of God. If we want to argue about intelligences, not changing the Word of God, we all need to learn Greek and Hebrew. (Which by the way, I did and it's no easy task.) And even then, the problems don't stop! For example, in Greek, the word of "in" and "with" is the same word, so are we baptized in the Holy Spirit or with the Holy Spirit. Churches have split over one word that is correct as far as Greek is concern.

All this is to say, no matter what version we prefer, it makes no difference, none of it is perfect. The only perfect version is the original hand written one by the different authors, but unfortunately, we don't have any of those around anymore. Neither do we have the orginial authors interpretation of what it is that they meant to say.

Lastly, in all honestly, people calling each other "narrow-minded", stupid, whatever else, breaks God's heart. :knope: Aren't we after all the Body of Christ? Does what version of the Bible we read make us any less part of the Body? Where in the Bible, no matter what version you read, calls us to insult each others' intelligence? I thought the Greatest Command calls us to love God with all we got and love our neighbors as our selves? If we can't love other, stop insulting each other what kind of "light and salt" are we to the world? No wonder people stop going back to church after 9-11. They discovered that the reason why they left in the first place- gossip, hated, insults and that's towards other Christians. May God forgives us and have mercy on us. May we one day be that perfect bride that awaits Him. :kangel:

[benj]

I checked other... ESV, but with an NASB in the garage.

[phats]

You know, I decided to check in on this topic and try an experiment: how long before u guys started arguing about the KJV being the only accurate translation. U managed (almost) half a page. Well done. It's been my experience that some people have beliefs like this, that's great. Read the Kjv. I don't think it's worth debating, because foolsih arguements waste time. If I'm reading Heresy, or some incorrect verses, then Heaven forbid - but it's still revelation to me. If u guys keep arguing about every little issue, as I have noticed happens around here, then what does that say to non-Christians? Anyways. I'm off to bed. Please enjoy your debate about translations, as I am sure that it will not be the deciding factor as to wether I get to heaven or not. Did u know muslims believe you shouldn't read the koran outside of Arabic? mmm.

[splitpersonal]

some of those versions I've never heard of I like nkjv its accurate and undertandable to the modern english language

[Ian Lozada]

My preference is to use the English Standard Version when doing things for personal use of putting Scripture in church handouts, but if it's a public reading that I'm expecting people in the congregation to follow along with, I use the NIV, which is the de facto standard in my congregation.