What is your preferred translation of The Bible?

acchhhoooo · 09-05-2002, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by beamy
My preferred version is the KJV because it is the exact translation of the 1500 manuscript in the greek and hebrew. Why has man watered it down in the name of easier to understand. God's word is quick, powerful and sharper than any two edged sword. It doesn't need a million translations God reveals it to man as we read it. Why do we have to smooth things over to make it more acceptable.

I agree with you, God's word is sharper then any 2 edged sword.... but for me, it'll be the NKJV as it is easier to understand then the King James... verily verily i say unto thee....

but after sometime, i'll probably move on to the KJV or the amplified...

sk8erjuan · 09-05-2002, 09:33 PM

My preffered version of the Bible is The NKJV cause I feel that it is the clearest version out and ever since i was called into the ministry i have tried the NIV and its just not the same. So to make a long message short its NKJV all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

guitarplayer4jc · 09-06-2002, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by brandontmilan
i chose the Tim Lahaye Prophecy Study bible, because even the footnotes are inspired...

LOL!!!

Dr. Doom · 09-06-2002, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by beamy
My preferred version is the KJV because it is the exact translation of the 1500 manuscript in the greek and hebrew. Why has man watered it down in the name of easier to understand. God's word is quick, powerful and sharper than any two edged sword. It doesn't need a million translations God reveals it to man as we read it. Why do we have to smooth things over to make it more acceptable.

so greeks and hebrews used "thee", ' thou", "hath", etc.?

rotj4 · 09-06-2002, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by Euchre0
so greeks and hebrews used "thee", ' thou", "hath", etc.?

point taken. The KJV is a translation of course. I don't really grasp all the translations available either but the "KING JAMES" is not the only bible God would have us use. BTW-I think using the word "exact" when refering to the KJV translation is absurd. It is impossible to translate every word perfectly.

Soli Deo Gloria · 09-06-2002, 11:29 PM

>My preferred version is the KJV because it is the exact translation of the 1500 manuscript in the greek and hebrew.

THE 1500 manuscript? It was actually translated from Erasmus's third Greek critical text. And Erasmus's text was a text-critical combination of about ten 1500 manuscripts.

Also, the NIV, NASB, and many newer translations take into consideration much, much older manuscripts. Compare Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Alexandrinus, and Codex Vaticanus with Erasmus's 1500 manuscripts. Those three are from the 4th and 5th centuries I believe.

>Why has man watered it down in the name of easier to understand.

Define "watered down." I don't believe the NASB for example is any more watered down than the KJV. I'm not sure what your definition of "watered down" is, but I'd say that whatever it is the KJV is probably more watered down than the NASB because the NASB is more literal.

>It doesn't need a million translations God reveals it to man as we read it.

Come to think of it, you're right! Why should we have an English translation at all? I mean, come on, God's word is quick, powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, so let's all just read it in the original Greek and Hebrew. We don't need any English translations to smooth things over and water them down. Why do we need English translations to make God's word understandable?

The whole point is to make God's word understandable. The KJV accomplished that in 1611, but it no longer accomplishes that task in 2002 nearly as well as newer translations because it's grammar, vocabulary, etc. are outdated and not understood as well by modern readers.

guitarman · 09-06-2002, 11:47 PM

If you ask me, I prefer ESV (English Standard Version). It's basically NASB in readable form.

~~Aaron

romans1423 · 09-07-2002, 02:23 AM

Why use a Bible perversion? The KJV has superior original texts, superior translators, superior technique, and superior theology. The only thing the modern versions have is superior acceptance by the world, superior financial support from the world, and superior acceptance in and use by compromising churches... Gee, I wonder why. http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/superiority.htm is a nice li'l study on why the KJV is perfect -- something no modern version could wish to be. http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/riplinge.htm may also be of interest to you.

If you want to reply and insult my "narrow-mindedness" or whatever you wanna call it, don't bother. Email me or IM me if ya want, but why not email the people who actually wrote those articles? I'm pretty confident they'll reply and answer any objections that you have in a Christian manner. God bless.

finalpigfantasy · 09-07-2002, 03:31 AM

I really don't have a favorite version. Like many it really depends on what I'm looking for. My church uses NIV, for gammar study, I use RSV. But as the more I teach and preach, the more I find NLT useful in helping people to understand what the text is saying. Other versions that's helpful is CEV (Contempory English Version). Of course The Message is sometimes helpful, but I think some of the paraphrases, especially in Psalms and Proverbs, totally miss what the text is really saying.

finalpigfantasy · 09-07-2002, 04:02 AM

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Why use a Bible perversion?[/URL] The KJV has superior original texts, superior translators, superior technique, and superior theology. The only thing the modern versions have is superior acceptance by the world, superior financial support from the world, and superior acceptance in and use by compromising churches... Gee, I wonder why.

My thougths:

Superior original texts: Only if you consider added texts from the original manual scripts superior.

Superior translators: Got to give you that one.

It's true that they were able to translate the Bible into words that most people of their time were able to understand with little education. Modern text need like 6 grade to understand.

Superior technique: Well, I suppose since they were able to have people understand the Bible with little education, I suppose it was superior.

Superior theology: Hmmm, I tend to think we have a better understand of God now that we have more than just European scholars telling us what God is like.

Compromising churches: Ouch! Does that mean all churches that don't use KJV is compromising? :knope: I hope not because major of Christians don't use KJV- in fact, majority don't use the English Bible.

romans1423 · 09-07-2002, 07:07 AM

English speaking churches that use a bible and not THE Bible (Authorized/King James Version) I would have to say have compromised. There are translations in other languages that are from the Received Text that are just as perfect as the King James. However, I would have to say that since English is the cominant language of the time (just as Hebrew was when the OT was written and Greek w/ the NT), the KJV is God's chosen Bible and ultimate culmination of the great translations of the Reformation period (i.e.Tyndale's or Wycliffe's). The KJV brought was used faithfully during the Reformation, a time of great Christian advancement. More people have bled and died for the KJV than any other version (why die for a book the world doesn't consider a threat?). Besides, I'd much rather have God's inspired WORDS (which He says He'd preserve) as translated by faithful men of God than these new versions which barely have God's thoughts preserved in them... Who wants a paraphrase when you can have the real deal? The KJV is easy to read -- it's not my fault the world's intelligence is on a decline. If ya think about it, the KJV is the only version that contains the command to STUDY the Word... Why would the modern 'versions' not want you to study them? Oh well, that's they're problem. Oh, and if you really wanna study the NIV, check out this really great verse memory plan: http://www.biblebelievers.com/knox/knox2.html ... I GUARANTEE you can memorize over 15 verses in matter of minutes!!! Gotta love that NIV (No Intelligence Version, Non-Inspired Version, etc.).

guitarplayer4jc · 09-07-2002, 09:45 AM

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If you want to reply and insult my "narrow-mindedness" or whatever you wanna call it, don't bother.

Ah man, I wan't saying that at all. I don't think you're narrow-minded, I've just done some studying on different translations and have found some to be more accurate than King James. I wasn't insulting you or calling you stupid for what you believe. I honestly think that there are other translations more accurate than KJV, but I'll check out those articles anyhow.

guitarplayer4jc · 09-07-2002, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by romans1423
English speaking churches that use a bible and not THE Bible (Authorized/King James Version) I would have to say have compromised. There are translations in other languages that are from the Received Text that are just as perfect as the King James. However, I would have to say that since English is the cominant language of the time (just as Hebrew was when the OT was written and Greek w/ the NT), the KJV is God's chosen Bible and ultimate culmination of the great translations of the Reformation period (i.e.Tyndale's or Wycliffe's). The KJV brought was used faithfully during the Reformation, a time of great Christian advancement. More people have bled and died for the KJV than any other version (why die for a book the world doesn't consider a threat?). Besides, I'd much rather have God's inspired WORDS (which He says He'd preserve) as translated by faithful men of God than these new versions which barely have God's thoughts preserved in them... Who wants a paraphrase when you can have the real deal? The KJV is easy to read -- it's not my fault the world's intelligence is on a decline. If ya think about it, the KJV is the only version that contains the command to STUDY the Word... Why would the modern 'versions' not want you to study them? Oh well, that's they're problem. Oh, and if you really wanna study the NIV, check out this really great verse memory plan: http://www.biblebelievers.com/knox/knox2.html ... I GUARANTEE you can memorize over 15 verses in matter of minutes!!! Gotta love that NIV (No Intelligence Version, Non-Inspired Version, etc.).

*edit* hehe! I meant to actually respond to this and not just quote it and send it back.

romans1423 · 09-07-2002, 10:18 AM

Other translations more accurate than the KJV? 'Kay, never heard that before. I've always heard that most modern ones rely on dynamic equivalency or some other form of paraphrase or rewording of the original content. There is one version that I here is more "literal" than the KJV, but I doubt it's from the same original texts as the KJV is. I believe the Textus Receptus text to be the preserved manuscripts of the originals, and the KJV I believe is the only English version that faithfully uses them. There can be Textus Receptus translations other than English -- the whole world deserves the Bible.

And I know you weren't calling me stupid or anything, and I appreciate that. I'm used to it anyway, though. I'm a fundamental, independent, KJV-only, old-fashioned Baptist... A lot of people seem to like insulting me for that, but hey, I count it joy.

If you wanna talk more and don't wanna like take up all of ChristianGuitar's forum, you're welcome to be the first to post in my forum. It's sorta new and I've never advertised it, but of course you and every one else is welcome. http://pub84.ezboard.com/bsoldiersofthecross37493

guitarplayer4jc · 09-07-2002, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by romans1423 . The KJV brought was used faithfully during the Reformation, a time of great Christian advancement. More people have bled and died for the KJV than any other version (why die for a book the world doesn't consider a threat?).

Yeah, but I think what is considered a threat is the Bible itself, not just a particular translation. For example, in many countries where Christians are persecuted, they are imprisoned and even tortured for owning a Bible, whether it is KJV or not. It's the Bible that they consider a threat, not the version it's in.

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Besides, I'd much rather have God's inspired WORDS (which He says He'd preserve) as translated by faithful men of God than these new versions which barely have God's thoughts preserved in them... Who wants a paraphrase when you can have the real deal?

Not all modern versions are paraphrases; check out the NASB!

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The KJV is easy to read -- it's not my fault the world's intelligence is on a decline.

Lol! Yeah, but you've gotta admit that some words have different meanings now than they used to. "Bowels" for example.

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If ya think about it, the KJV is the only version that contains the command to STUDY the Word...

What makes you think that? Here are a couple of verses from the NIV:

Psalm 1:2 - But his delight is in the Law of the Lord, and on His law he meditates day and night.

Joshua 1:8 (one of my fav. verses) - Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful.

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Oh, and if you really wanna study the NIV, check out this really great verse memory plan: http://www.biblebelievers.com/knox/knox2.html ... I GUARANTEE you can memorize over 15 verses in matter of minutes!!! Gotta love that NIV (No Intelligence Version, Non-Inspired Version, etc.).

LOL!!! Maybe I should have given you those verses in NASB! Actually, I think that the KJV is a lot easier to memorize because of it's higher reading level. I know a lot of people who agree with me on this. I still try to memorize verses in the NIV, because that's what I usually use. I still like the KJV and NKJV, though. It's all good!