Proof of Creation

Muffinly · 08-13-2002, 03:55 PM

I'm having a bit of trouble explaining to people the things that are wrong with evolution and that support divine creation.

Could anyone give me some websites or tell me some arguments that suport creation. I've got a few but i'm looking for more.

Travis · 08-13-2002, 04:26 PM

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I'm having a bit of trouble explaining to people the things that are wrong with evolution and that support divine creation.

I personally support both (theistic evolution).

Cheese · 08-13-2002, 04:33 PM

Isn't this the wrong forum?

Travis · 08-13-2002, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by Cheese
Isn't this the wrong forum?

Not anymore. Patience is a virtue, ya know...

Cheese · 08-13-2002, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Travis
Not anymore. Patience is a virtue, ya know...

eh..I don't have any of that stuff....

Cheese · 08-13-2002, 04:44 PM

jcmblfiffreak if you are having problems debating this...its probably because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. BEFORE you ever debate something decide for yourself and look at the evidence. You have obviously not approached this subject with an open mind and examined the evidence or you would already have known the evidence.

Muffinly · 08-13-2002, 05:06 PM

So just what is creationism trying to say?
Creationism is not "against" modern science! In fact, the Biblical mandate to "subdue" the earth (Genesis 1:28) requires us to understand it, which is what science is all about. "Creation Science" is simply the practice of science with the assumption and acknowledgement that there is a creator God, versus the now standard operating assumption of naturalism (that nature is "all there is").

No one, including creation scientists, disputes that so-called "micro-evolution" (variation within a type of organism) caused by natural selection occurs and may be responsible for the large number of species found within a type. Almost all touted evidences for evolution are of this category (like Darwin's finches, the "peppered moth", or bacteria that become resistant to antibiotics). However, it is important to note that "micro-evolution" is a misnomer, as it implies that "a little" evolution is taking place. In actuality, NO evolution is taking place, as no increase in complexity (such as the development of a new organ) is being generated, but merely the emphasis of some already present traits over others.

Large scale change of one type of organism into another, so-called "macro-evolution", is beyond the ability of mutation coupled with natural selection to produce. Evolutionists acknowledge this is a "research issue". Even non-creation scientists (such as Denton and Behe) have written books giving the hard scientific facts that document why this is impossible.

The "geologic column", which is cited as physical evidence of evolution occurring in the past, is better explained as the result of a devastating global flood which happened about 5,000 years ago, as described in the Bible. Even evolutionists acknowledge that the fossil record is one of "fully-formed abrupt appearance" and "stasis" (that is, no change over time).

The belief that the atoms of a "Big Bang" eventually produced people ALL BY THEMSELVES (that is, without any intelligent guidance) is contrary to the well-proven Second Law of Thermodynamics, and the fundamentals of Information Theory. The universe is known to be "running down" yet evolution postulates it is "building up". Atoms to people evolution is much more a "religious belief" than a scientific fact.

There is no reason not to believe that God created our universe, earth, plants, animals, and people just as described in the book of Genesis!

That's the summary of what I have so far,but I'm looking for more evidence.

Travis · 08-13-2002, 07:42 PM

@ jcmblfiffreak

Jay42 · 08-13-2002, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by jcmblfiffreak
That's the summary of what I have so far,but I'm looking for more evidence.

Well what you "have so far" was pulled, word-for-word directly off of http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/mainpts.htm or some other website quoting it.

So if learning from websites is your cup of tea, go to the sites like this one that show opposing points of view.

Whatever you do, please don't let your entire Christian faith hinge on this issue. According to Paul, the death & resurrection of Christ is the hinge of our faith.

Muffinly · 08-14-2002, 06:33 PM

Thanks for that site, and yes I did get the summary off another site.

Does anyone else know of any more good Creation websites?

Yojimbo · 08-14-2002, 06:51 PM

Well don't forget www.creationsceince.com

JerryLove · 08-15-2002, 05:42 PM

I saw some creationist statements, and some anti-evolution arguments. I did not see any creation evidence... and no, attacking evolution is not evidence of creation.

JaredR · 08-19-2002, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Travis
I personally support both (theistic evolution).

*vomits*

08-19-2002, 11:07 PM

reasonstobelieve.org

**Chrysostom** · 08-21-2002, 03:56 PM

[jcmblfiffreak] I'm having a bit of trouble explaining to people the things that are wrong with evolution and that support divine creation.

Could anyone give me some websites or tell me some arguments that suport creation. I've got a few but i'm looking for more.

[Me] Modern evolutionary theory has four main problems.

1. It is entirely unsupported. There's a reason why evolutionists had to come up with new theories recently of mass evolution over a short period of time -- which is that the fossil record embarrasses them.

2. It is tautological. One main tenet of modern evolutionary theory is "Survival of the fittest." However, how do they determine the fittest? By who survives! Therefore, their argument is "Survival of the survivors." That is certainly not a schock to anybody.

3. It is not objectively scientific. Evolution is a philosophical beast -- not a scientific one. The ideas preceded Darwin by quite a bit, and they were all philosophical ones (for which he was scolded immediately by his colleagues)! The concept traces back to the Greeks. Furthermore, evolutionary theory includes a number of religious and philosophical presuppositions (all naturalistic), and a casual reading of any major evolutionist will easily prove this.

4. It encounters a number of problems simply in its initial format. How is it that evolution can explain any number of changes within its theory, such as the evolution of sexuality and sex organs? How do evolution's naturalistic presuppositions explain the origin of the first cell? How does evolution explain many variations scientifically, as operating the same way on one thing ought to produce the same result? How does evolution explain the fact that humans have two eyes, or why we have two eyes and other creatures have many more?

Finally, the support for creation is Scriptural. That is all that is needed. "God said it, that settles it, I believe it."