pledge of aligiance. that last word which i cant spell

moocow06 · 07-07-2002, 08:04 AM

what do u guys think about how california wanted
"one nation,UNDER GOD" gone

GMartin2R · 07-08-2002, 12:36 AM

well this is the wrong forum, but i think it was a stupid move.

California=liberal haven for spawning liberal ideas to push on the rest of us. (eg. berkley, and this ruling)

Tracy · 07-11-2002, 12:55 PM

It's spelled allegiance.

And I dunno what I think of it...

robert4xst · 08-06-2002, 08:11 PM

Its a dumb ruleing. Under this idea that means EVERY document that started this country has to be banned. The Declaration of Independance, Articles of Confederation, Constitution of the United States. All of the contain references to God. It don't see the big fuss anyway, because all these references to God have become so secularized over the years.

perhaps · 08-08-2002, 02:11 PM

To....

Current Events I guess

....eeep

Travis · 08-08-2002, 02:55 PM

I am somewhat divided on the issue, but my current position on the matter is that I agree with the decision.

ThePlaidRanger · 08-08-2002, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by robert4xst
Its a dumb ruleing. Under this idea that means EVERY document that started this country has to be banned.

Except that the pledge wasn't any type of founding document. The reference to God was added in the 50's during the Cold War and the Communist witch hunts to further the idea that we were the "good guys" and the communists the "bad guys", because we, of course, were "under God".

**+Donny** · 08-09-2002, 12:37 AM

given the presupposition of our country, there is nothing wrong with it. given the proper governing of a nation (theonomy), there is certainly something wrong with it and its motives.

ThePlaidRanger · 08-09-2002, 10:14 AM

What are you referring to, Donny?

Chip20045 · 08-10-2002, 12:11 PM

i don't like the ruling...but i can't argue w/ it, because they do have a point

first off, the "one nation under God" part wasn't added until sometime in the 1940's.

another issue w/ that, the real reason it was changed, was because of the line in the US constition that says that the government may not endorse any religion. in the "one nation under God" clause, the word God is singular, which cuts out all of the polytheistic religions. that is the main reason why it was changed.

strangeperson11 · 08-16-2002, 01:25 AM

the sad fact is that there is no "one nation under god" anymore
there are now so many new age religions that it just isnt true anymore. in a way we are all "under god" but that is not what it means.

Yojimbo · 08-16-2002, 07:18 AM

What's funny is that the guy who brought this up used the motivation that he did not want his daughter to be ridiculed if she expressed atheistic beliefs...well, the daughter is a Christian (and so is the estranged mother) and when told that she wouldn't be able to say "One nation under God" anymore, she told her mom "I can still whisper it."

Travis · 08-16-2002, 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by Goodness
and when told that she wouldn't be able to say "One nation under God" anymore, she told her mom "I can still whisper it."

Isn't she still able to say that if she wants though? It isn’t a requirement to say the pledge, so I would think that it wouldn't be a requirement to say it word for world when saying it.

Chip20045 · 08-16-2002, 05:06 PM

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It isn’t a requirement to say the pledge

there are some places where it is...and depending on where that person's daughter lives, she might be affected by it....

Travis · 08-16-2002, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by Chip20045
there are some places where it is...

You have made the positive claim and therefore the burden of proof is on you. Show me somewhere in the US where it is absolutely mandantory to say the pledge.