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Unread 06-17-2002, 10:59 PM   #16
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I think most piccolo basses are tuned ADGC, or similar, basically (ha ha) giving the effect of an extra higher string. A reasonable number of players get the same effect by using a five-string bass tuned EADGC, or a six string bass (normally tuned BEADGC, though some go EADGCF or F#BEADG). Then of course there are seven string basses (BEADGCF), etc.
Those are usually referred to as tenor basses.

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So a piccolo bass is about the same pitch as a baritone guitar, except the tone is different because normally a bass has a longer scale (and, therefore, thicker strings).
Piccolo basses are in the same octave as guitars. Baritone guitars are tuned to B, halfway between guitar and bass.

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Unread 06-18-2002, 06:23 AM   #17
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I know Stanley used a piccolo bass for alot of his Return to Forever work, but I'm not sure which one was tuned as a piccolo. He has always used short scale basses, and its hard to tell from pictures. Les Claypool also played a Carl Thompson piccolo as his main bass, but it was tuned as a standard bass.

Probably the biggest user of the ADGC tuning is Victor Wooten, he has a bass setup like that for his solo spot usually.
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Unread 06-18-2002, 09:06 AM   #18
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This is kinda going back to froggee's original post about not being able to hear the bass. A lot of the time, u don't hear the bass - u actually kinda feel it instead of hear it if you know what i mean.....
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Unread 06-21-2002, 08:59 PM   #19
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The bass should actually the loudest out of all of the rhythm section instruments (which include the guitar, bass, and drums (piano optional)) if the drums and guitar (and singer) are overpowering the bass, you'd better balance everybody out. And if the bass if overpowering everything else, then turn it down, but the bass should atleast be the same volume as the guitar player.
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Unread 06-21-2002, 09:20 PM   #20
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heh, actually, I just can't hear the bass because I"m hearing impaired.... no need to get my ears checked, N, I've already had that done... many times...

Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you people... I literally meant that I can't hear it, but I guess I wasn't clear enough.
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Unread 06-25-2002, 09:57 PM   #21
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i can usually hear bass in songs i guess since i play bass, but i think it depends alot on how the bassists eq is adjusted
I always hear the bass in a song... and I only got a bass on loan last Sunday! If anything, I forget backup vocals (sorry all you backup vocalists. I'd miss you if you weren't there)
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Unread 06-26-2002, 07:08 PM   #22
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Froggie: get your church to get an ELF system(Extended Low Frequency) by Bag End www.bagend.com they use frequencies @ 20hz & lower so u will most likely feel it more than hear it!

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There also some true Bass Guitars, which are guitars tuned an octive lower....
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Unread 08-07-2002, 07:03 AM   #24
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I once had a professional soundman who used to run the church's sound system tell me that bass should be felt and not heard. How can you feel the bass without hearing it unless you are hearing impared?

I have to disagree with that statement! The bass, just like every other instrument, is meant to be heard. Without it, the music will in most cases sound very thin. Besides, if you ask most people, they'll tell you that they like to hear bass loud and clear.

Unfortunately, the feel it not hear it mentality seems to still be present in our church. It's not just the bass that gets the axe though, the guitarist suffer the same fate. The mix normally consist of keys, vocal, drums and very little of everything else. I mostly try to keep quiet about it because I am there to worship, not to be heard.

In church it's not entirely the soundman's fault, a lot of time there are elderly people and people that seem to feel that the music is not God glorifying if it's too agressive or loud. Some of these people are very quick to complain. It's unfortunate, the Bible says that we are to make a joyful noise, not a filtered and dulled down noise.

Oh well, my babbling has gone on long enough, I'll end it here!

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Why can't basses be an octave higher?

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Aren't baritone guitars a fifth down from guitar (BEADF#B)?
That's a fourth down or a fifth up.
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wait a minute you are saying we are surpose to be in the back ground have you never heard of the ox or stumble fingers or that paul guy in the beatles or chris squire i think they played a style called lead bass and that was twenty years ago at the least o ya so do I
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I once had a professional soundman who used to run the church's sound system tell me that bass should be felt and not heard. How can you feel the bass without hearing it unless you are hearing impared?
That soundman is just wrong. The bass needs to be mixed appropriately (including EQ settings) for you to be able to hear it amongst the other instruments. It can be nice to 'feel' the low range of a bass, but (even ignoring the fact that many songs don't even use the extreme low end of the bass's range) you're not going to be able to feel it and not hear it.

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that paul guy in the beatles or chris squire i think they played a style called lead bass
I wouldn't say that the bass lines in the Beatles' songs are 'lead bass'. Bass plays an important part in most of those songs, but no more important than any other instrument, and Paul doesn't do anything significantly different to a lot of modern bassists. Paul's basslines support the songs, they he doesn't showboat over the top of everyone else...

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I guess you never listen to paperback writer thats a fender six string bass and he also use one on the song your bird can sing. If you cant hear the differance maybe you need to play something else. AND thats not just me talking. Stanley Clarke said that in 1976 when ask about his disc school days
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Unread 08-12-2002, 04:31 PM   #29
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There aren't many players who tune a whole octave up. (I can't think of any - I don't think Stanley Clarke goes up a whole octave does he?).
I hope not! Tuning any guitar/bass an octave higher will most assuredly break/severely bend the neck, that is, if the strings dont snap first.

You have to get a bass and strings designed for it.

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Unread 08-12-2002, 08:42 PM   #30
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I guess you never listen to paperback writer thats a fender six string bass and he also use one on the song your bird can sing. If you cant hear the differance maybe you need to play something else. AND thats not just me talking.
Assuming you were talking to me, I did say 'most of those songs', not 'every single song Paul ever played on'. If you can't tell the difference maybe you shouldn't be speaking English? (I'd recommend Spanish, it can sound quite pretty.)

In any case perhaps you should attempt to explain the distinction you are trying to make.

So he played a Fender six string bass on some songs: so what? I care about how he arranged the bass parts, not what instrument he played them on. Choosing the old Fender six style bass instrument doesn't necessarily mean that you'd actually play the bass line any different to on a Jazz bass or on a 'Beatle bass' like Paul used. Ignoring what instrument he used, what ideas did he actually play that were so unusual on, say, 'Paperback Writer'?

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