definitely they're weakest cd, not as punk and too much of a sythesized sound, but this is dogwood so that means it's still way better than anything else out there

russell's hidden track is also awesome and now a calvary chapel montebello worship song. I know Josh lol and even he it wasn't their best and that's y they only play "matt aragon" and "nothing is everything" every so often....Do or Die is a Dogwood staple however.