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Unread 09-17-2020, 04:02 AM   #1
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Do sinners go to hell?

Do sinners go to hell? Or to some other place?

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Unread 11-27-2020, 08:33 PM   #2
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Wow, back on the heyday this would have had a lot of discussion. I don't know about this topic anymore, not sure about hell.
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Unread 11-28-2020, 08:38 AM   #3
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It depends on whether or not they are saved by grace through faith in Jesus.
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Unread 11-28-2020, 11:01 AM   #4
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Isn't hell reserved for the bad angels and Satan?
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I do want to post something about this, but I need to get to a computer, so may be a few days!
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Isn't hell reserved for the bad angels and Satan?
The "lake of fire" was created for them however, Revelation 20:14-14 says that anyone whose name isn't found in the book of life is thrown in there as well.
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I have recently been looking into this, and came across this recent video by Preston Sprinkle that walks through three views of hell: Eternal Conscious Torment (the view traditionally held by evangelicals), Annihilationism/Conditional Immortality, and Ultimate Reconciliation/Universalism. Obviously you posted here for discussion, but I thought it was a helpful starting point. He is the co-author of Erasing Hell (alongside Francis Chan) which was written in response to Love Wins by Rob Bell, which are both books that I have not read.
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I have recently been looking into this, and came across this recent video by Preston Sprinkle that walks through three views of hell: Eternal Conscious Torment (the view traditionally held by evangelicals), Annihilationism/Conditional Immortality, and Ultimate Reconciliation/Universalism. Obviously you posted here for discussion, but I thought it was a helpful starting point. He is the co-author of Erasing Hell (alongside Francis Chan) which was written in response to Love Wins by Rob Bell, which are both books that I have not read.
I've read both of those books as well as Hell Is Real (But I Hate To Admit It) by Brian Jones.

If you want a readable comparison of the four most common views I would suggest Four Views On Hell. It covers: Literal View, Metaphorical View, Conditional View, and Purgatorial View. It looks like there is an updated version available as well.
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I've read both of those books as well as Hell Is Real (But I Hate To Admit It) by Brian Jones.

If you want a readable comparison of the four most common views I would suggest Four Views On Hell. It covers: Literal View, Metaphorical View, Conditional View, and Purgatorial View. It looks like there is an updated version available as well.
That looks like a good resource for a balanced understanding of the views.
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I've read both of those books as well as Hell Is Real (But I Hate To Admit It) by Brian Jones.

If you want a readable comparison of the four most common views I would suggest Four Views On Hell. It covers: Literal View, Metaphorical View, Conditional View, and Purgatorial View. It looks like there is an updated version available as well.
I think Preston Sprinkle references the updated version in the video I linked. He did the foreword IIRC.
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That looks like a good resource for a balanced understanding of the views.
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I think Preston Sprinkle references the updated version in the video I linked. He did the foreword IIRC.
I like that each person is given the opportunity to explain his position. Then each of the other three respond. I have a few of these books on different theological issues and they have come in quite handy.

I guess I could reveal which of the views I currently espouse. I grew up believing the literal hellfire and brimstone version. I didn't realize there were explanations other than those who simply said that hell did not exist at all. I met my buddy Paul in sixth grade and that's when I first kinda heard about Purgatory but it's not like we sat around discussing it. The first person I heard talk about annilationism was Dale Thompson, who is the lead singer for Bride. It ticked off a bunch of fans when he started sharing that view. They were certain he had abandoned Scripture. A professor in Bible College is the one who introduced one of the metaphorical views and that is probably how I would describe myself now.

I believe there is an eternal, conscious separation from God but I think the majority of the language in Scripture that we associate with "hell" is not meant to be taken literally. When Jesus talks about Gehenna he was referring to an actual place they could see with their own eyes. God even talks about purifying believers with "fire" so we know that "fire" is used symbolically for other things.

That's all I'm comfortable saying about it because we just don't know. I do believe "hell" is real and I do believe it is eternal. I also believe that none of us will want to be there. On the flip side, I don't believe heaven will have streets literally paved with gold either.
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Unread 12-02-2020, 06:29 PM   #12
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Hell, or more properly Hades, is a place of torment for those who have not been saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Their sins are not paid for so they must pay for them themselves. This is only a holding place like Abraham's Bosom was. See the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus.

The Lake of Fire is to Hades as is Heaven is to Abraham's Bosom, loosely.

When Christ died on the cross He descended into Hell/Hades to release those who had their faith in the coming Messiah. They are now in Heaven.

When the Judgement comes God will release those in Hades to be judged and then case into the Lake of Fire.

So sinners do not go directly to the Hell we've been taught, although it's not really that critical of a theological complication (It is appointed for man to die once, and after this the judgement). They rather go to a holding cell to be tormented for a time. Then they are moved to their permanent eternal home in the Lake of Fire.
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