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Unread 01-22-2021, 07:24 PM   #76
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I hate this political climate. Someone in one of the groups I belong to told me that her priest told her, in more or less polite terms, that she was no longer a Christian and to stop attending church because she voted for Biden.

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Unread 01-22-2021, 07:37 PM   #77
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I hate this political climate. Someone in one of the groups I belong to told me that her priest told her, in more or less polite terms, that she was no longer a Christian and to stop attending church because she voted for Biden.
That is crazy.

Is she ok?
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Unread 01-23-2021, 01:10 AM   #78
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That is crazy.

Is she ok?
Crazy? Yes. Unheard of? Not if my experience is also unique.

Yes. I agree this political climate is extremely toxic and depressing. What is it going to take to open up real avenues of dialogue between every day Americans on both sides?
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Unread 01-23-2021, 03:24 AM   #79
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That is crazy.

Is she ok?
She's fine. There are other parishes in her area that she can go to and a bunch of us in this one FB group are comparing stories of encounters with her priest (to put it nicely he's uh... kinda lost the plot on Christian conduct). She's putting together an email to the bishop regarding his behaviour. According to my deacon friend who is also under the authority of this bishop... Bishop in question is most definitely not someone you want cross at you.

So we'll see.
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watching TV, and a MyPillow commercial came on. I wanted to throw my remote at the television. just saying.
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but there was a fantastic conspiracy theory show on, about the alleged Presidential Book of Secrets! how can I NOW watch that!?
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Unread 01-28-2021, 07:38 AM   #83
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A priest in my church (the OCA, albeit a different diocese) was suspended for attending the assault on the Capitol.

It happened on a major feast day. He should have been serving Theophany, instead he took part in a rebellion.

Good riddance.
The thing is that the same attitude that led him to do that is the same attitude that leads you to say "Good riddance". Love is the defining quality of a Christian. 1John tells us that we know that we are Christians by the love that we have for our brethren. Church discipline is necessary but the goal should always be reconciliation. It should be a sad occasion, not done with gladness. Otherwise, while condemning them, we condemn ourselves.
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I guess that I am a thread killer. So I thought that I would stir the pot again. Just FYI, I will likely not be able to get on but every few days.

The story so far:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ion/index.html

My view is that a good bit of it hurts the economy. The COVID response already has things hurting. Small businesses are especially feelings the pain. The oil and gas industry was already in shambles. Seems like a bad time to push an agenda that will hurt jobs. Keystone pipeline, moratorium on drilling, even the border wall kills jobs. Raising the minimum wage will likely be much harder on small businesses.

The immigration policies don't bother me much except the rhetoric around it.

I'm against canceling student loan debt. It simply doesn't make sense to me. But our society has become all about eliminating consequences of your decisions. But I don't see it helping our society as a whole.

And, of course, having the federal government fund and promote abortions is something that I find appalling.

So, there you have it. Do y'all disagree? Is it going to be better for the economy than I think it is?
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So impeachment has started. I need someone to tell me the positive outcome that we want to achieve from this. I only see the negatives.

1. Many people believe there was cheating going on during the election. Conspiracy theories aside, there were some problems. Mainly, Democrats used the courts to change election laws in, I believe, 8 states within weeks of the election. Some even happened after early voting. Many called foul to this before and after the elction. It has largely been dismissed but not really addressed. This impeachment would seem to add to the conspiracies rather than calming the concerns.

2. Because of (1), I am afraid that Trump is going to be a sort of calling cry for recruitment of antigovernment groups that seem to have found a small foothold recently.

3. The only possible punishment is to keep him from running for office again, which would imply that he has a chance of winning. This would disenfranchise some of the 75million who voted for him and probably further divide the country. But it also implies that Congress know better than the voters. As if they have to protect the country from making a poor voting choice in 4 years.

4. There is a concern about impeachment becoming a political weapon to be used against the opposition of the majority.

The upside would simply be, Trump can't run for office again.

Am I missing something?
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I seem to recall Democrats getting upset at Republicans wasting time appointments and not making action on other things. Spending all this time on political theatre for something they know they're not going to get the votes for seems like one of those wastes of time to me.

But I got no skin in the game.
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So impeachment has started. I need someone to tell me the positive outcome that we want to achieve from this. I only see the negatives.

1. Many people believe there was cheating going on during the election. Conspiracy theories aside, there were some problems. Mainly, Democrats used the courts to change election laws in, I believe, 8 states within weeks of the election. Some even happened after early voting. Many called foul to this before and after the elction. It has largely been dismissed but not really addressed. This impeachment would seem to add to the conspiracies rather than calming the concerns.

2. Because of (1), I am afraid that Trump is going to be a sort of calling cry for recruitment of antigovernment groups that seem to have found a small foothold recently.

3. The only possible punishment is to keep him from running for office again, which would imply that he has a chance of winning. This would disenfranchise some of the 75million who voted for him and probably further divide the country. But it also implies that Congress know better than the voters. As if they have to protect the country from making a poor voting choice in 4 years.

4. There is a concern about impeachment becoming a political weapon to be used against the opposition of the majority.

The upside would simply be, Trump can't run for office again.

Am I missing something?
Why don't you watch the impeachment hearings to find out what you're missing?
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Am I missing something?
Put yourself in the shoes of the democrats doing this. It's a win-win. Either Trump gets impeached for an office that he no longer holds (???) or they can hold it over the heads of every senator that votes against forever.
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or they can hold it over the heads of every senator that votes against forever.
I mean that doesn't seem as bad as having your followers ask FOR senator's heads, but what do I know? Apparently I don't watch enough Fox news or something.
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so the trial is half over, with the rest set aside for the T defense.



did any evidence provided change any ones' opinions so far? or has it just solidified existing beliefs?
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