Go Back   Christian Guitar Forum > Musicians > Guitar
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read

Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 09-13-2017, 10:20 PM   #1
President of the Galaxy
 
Ben Toast's Avatar
 

Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Posts: 5,249
NGD - Epi SG

Not too shabby. Was trying to sell my old GoPro stuff on LetGo and some guy offered me this on trade. He did have a mid-80s model gold-top LP (also Epi) that I would have taken over this, but it was in super rough shape and needed more work than it was worth. But, knowing these Epi SGs are pretty great to upgrade, that's what I plan to do with this: upgrade nut, pickups, and wiring configuration. As for now, some eye candy for your viewing pleasure.
Attached Thumbnails
002.jpg   003.jpg   004.jpg   005.jpg   007.jpg  


__________________
What is the answer to life the universe and everything?

I have a business!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq View Post
...wives are expensive upkeep...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute View Post
Ben Toast, I have been sanctioned by the official CGRARC (Christian Guitar Resources Awesome-ness Recognition Committee) to declare that henceforth and hitherto, you are awesome.

Ben Toast is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Unread 09-13-2017, 11:11 PM   #2
your local foreigner
 
Giuseppe's Avatar
 

Joined: Oct 2011
Location: Zamunda
Posts: 1,700
nice
__________________
Yours faithfully,
Giuseppe
Giuseppe is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-14-2017, 03:48 AM   #3
Registered User
 
mathminnick31's Avatar
 

Joined: Aug 2011
Location: Newton Falls, OH
Posts: 372
Congrats, nice axe. I like the SG's. What pups are you thinking of?
__________________
Love to play for Him
mathminnick31 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-16-2017, 08:47 AM   #4
President of the Galaxy
 
Ben Toast's Avatar
 

Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Posts: 5,249
Just ordered in a Seymour Duncan set. SH-1N '59 for the neck, and a TB-4 JB for the bridge. Need to find high quality switchable pots for coil tapping, and figure out how to wire a tone circuit bypass switch. Also need to find a black tusq nut. It already has Grover tuners so I don't think I'll need to replace those. I'm pretty stoked to mod this guitar. But as I've never done this before, does anyone have any advice / warnings?
__________________
What is the answer to life the universe and everything?

I have a business!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq View Post
...wives are expensive upkeep...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute View Post
Ben Toast, I have been sanctioned by the official CGRARC (Christian Guitar Resources Awesome-ness Recognition Committee) to declare that henceforth and hitherto, you are awesome.


Last edited by Ben Toast; 09-16-2017 at 09:51 AM.
Ben Toast is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-17-2017, 05:22 AM   #5
Registered User
 
mathminnick31's Avatar
 

Joined: Aug 2011
Location: Newton Falls, OH
Posts: 372
Put some wet towels around the pocket when soldering, tin your wires with solder prior to making connections, remember when you take the strings off, the tailblock of the bridge can/will fall off so watch it doesn't scratch the body. Finally, with the nut, take the truss rod cover off before removing the old one. Be sure to get the new one to fit as squarely as you can in slot. I use the old one as a template and try to sand down the bottom of the new one prior to installing to get the height right--that way there should be virtually no slot filing to do once the new nut is in place.

As for anything else, always get the soldering iron to heat the contact point then add solder to that.

Nice choice of pups. Good luck!
__________________
Love to play for Him
mathminnick31 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-17-2017, 06:00 PM   #6
Saved sinner
 
a.n.v.i.l.'s Avatar
 

Joined: Jul 2012
Location: NE corner of the 4 corners
Posts: 118
Hey nice guitar! Enjoy the honeymoon stage and have fun doing all the upgrades. Are you planning on bringing the axe to church?
__________________
JESUS
saving people over 2000 years
a.n.v.i.l. is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-19-2017, 08:06 AM   #7
President of the Galaxy
 
Ben Toast's Avatar
 

Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Posts: 5,249
Quote:
Originally Posted by mathminnick31 View Post
Put some wet towels around the pocket when soldering, tin your wires with solder prior to making connections, remember when you take the strings off, the tailblock of the bridge can/will fall off so watch it doesn't scratch the body. Finally, with the nut, take the truss rod cover off before removing the old one. Be sure to get the new one to fit as squarely as you can in slot. I use the old one as a template and try to sand down the bottom of the new one prior to installing to get the height right--that way there should be virtually no slot filing to do once the new nut is in place.

As for anything else, always get the soldering iron to heat the contact point then add solder to that.

Nice choice of pups. Good luck!
I didn't think about the wet towel. That's a great idea. The nut is the only part that makes me nervous; soldering wires is easy. Getting a nut right is another story. I'm debating having the nut done professionally, though it's already on the way along with the 500k DPDT volume pots and the 500k no-load tone pots.

Quote:
Originally Posted by a.n.v.i.l. View Post
Hey nice guitar! Enjoy the honeymoon stage and have fun doing all the upgrades. Are you planning on bringing the axe to church?
Who knows, maybe someday?
__________________
What is the answer to life the universe and everything?

I have a business!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq View Post
...wives are expensive upkeep...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute View Post
Ben Toast, I have been sanctioned by the official CGRARC (Christian Guitar Resources Awesome-ness Recognition Committee) to declare that henceforth and hitherto, you are awesome.

Ben Toast is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-28-2017, 10:23 AM   #8
President of the Galaxy
 
Ben Toast's Avatar
 

Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Posts: 5,249
Wired in new pickups and pots! This was my first go at something like this so of course it didn't turn out perfectly but with only three issues to fix, I'm pretty happy with it.

The SH-1N '59 neck pickup sounds absolutely gorgeous. 10/10, would recommend.
The TB4-JB bridge pickup, well, I don't know yet because, well, you'll just have to read.


So I ordered two 500K DPDT push/pull CTS pots for volumes when I bought the pickups. I thought both pickups would have 4-wire conductors; I was wrong. I also ordered two no-load 500K CTS tone pots. Since the stock wiring for the guitar involved a 2-vol, 2-tone pot configuration, my plan was to continue that configuration. I settled for a 2-vol, 1-tone configuration. This was in part because I realized I prefer the tones of the pickups to be kept uniform and also in part because I was lazy and ran out of wiring and didn't want to mess with the second tone pot. Also because I could use the extra hole to do something like a kill button for some nifty live effects.

I don't think the tone pots are actually no-load because when I turn it all the way up it doesn't sound like it's bypassing the tone circuit like it should. However this could be because I took the capacitor off the stock tone pot and soldered it to the new tone pot (just because all the schematics I read showed a capacitor).

The TB4-JB bridge pickup is super low output and I can't tell if the push/pull is actually working because of this. It could just be so quiet because it's so far away from the strings, but I really don't hear any difference in tonality when I pull up on the knob shaft. I need to take the pick guard back off and trim the mounting springs down so I can raise the pickup higher (they're already compressed to the max and it's just way too low). I'm also planning to order more mounting screws and springs (or just buy them at the hardware store if I can find the right ones), drill some new holes in the mounting ring and pick guard, and try to mount the pickup with 4 screws instead of 2 so I can tilt it to more closely match the angle of the strings for a more even tone spread.

Speaking of mounting screws, has anyone noticed how obnoxiously long the OEM Seymour Duncan mounting screws are? I had to cut mine down to make them fit inside the pickups cavity.

I've noticed that the CTS DPDT pot is really two separate modules in one unit; the DPDT module doesn't affect the volume potentiometer itself. So once I figure out how to get the DPDT working for the TB4-JB I'm thinking about actually just wiring both pickups to the one volume pot to consolidate the original 2-vol 2-tone configuration down to a 1-vol 1-tone configuration with the push/pull on the volume pot also splitting the bridge pickup. The only question lingering in my mind concerning this is: what would I do with two extra holes in the guitar body? Even if I used one of them to install a kill button, what would I do with the other empty hole? I am open to suggestions regarding this. Also, would running two humbuckers through one 500k volume pot be a tone bottleneck? What would happen if I bypassed the tone pot altogether?

Anyway, this was my first time doing any wiring with a guitar and I definitely dove in head-first to a full-rewire project. I figured with all the schematics and documentation and community forums available online, this shouldn't be a very daunting project (which it still doesn't feel daunting, just time consuming).

I haven't bothered starting on the nut yet.
Attached Thumbnails
508asdflk.jpg   5zi4kx9.jpg  
__________________
What is the answer to life the universe and everything?

I have a business!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq View Post
...wives are expensive upkeep...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute View Post
Ben Toast, I have been sanctioned by the official CGRARC (Christian Guitar Resources Awesome-ness Recognition Committee) to declare that henceforth and hitherto, you are awesome.

Ben Toast is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 10-02-2017, 06:12 PM   #9
President of the Galaxy
 
Ben Toast's Avatar
 

Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Posts: 5,249
Readjusted pickup heights and tested through amp at practice: Everything is working! However, I don't have everything grounded properly and I'm getting some hum. That shouldn't be difficult to remedy. Now to sum the two volume pots down to one and see if that works!
__________________
What is the answer to life the universe and everything?

I have a business!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq View Post
...wives are expensive upkeep...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute View Post
Ben Toast, I have been sanctioned by the official CGRARC (Christian Guitar Resources Awesome-ness Recognition Committee) to declare that henceforth and hitherto, you are awesome.

Ben Toast is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 10-25-2017, 12:16 PM   #10
President of the Galaxy
 
Ben Toast's Avatar
 

Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Posts: 5,249
Update: I've named her "Rose" after my first guitar (that old red SG knockoff). I've summed the electronics down to one volume and one tone, but it sounds like I'm getting higher output from the neck than the bridge for some reason and the sound seems muffled, like the highs aren't coming through well and clarity just isn't there. It's a '59 bridge pickup, so it should sound very rich. Maybe I need to adjust the height or something. I'm not sure. Anyone more experienced got any recommendations?

I've also installed a momentary kill switch. It works, but I'm going to replace it with a shorter-action button (like an arcade button maybe) at some point. Also I may have to figure out a better ground return for it. It has a pop when I engage it, but maybe fully grounding the internal components will fix that pop issue.

And I have one more surprise up my sleeve for it after it's all finished up and in prime playing condition. I'll need to take it to a shop and have the neck adjusted and professional setup done. I just want to try to re-hydrate the wood a little first. It's going to be a slow process but I'm determined.
__________________
What is the answer to life the universe and everything?

I have a business!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq View Post
...wives are expensive upkeep...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute View Post
Ben Toast, I have been sanctioned by the official CGRARC (Christian Guitar Resources Awesome-ness Recognition Committee) to declare that henceforth and hitherto, you are awesome.


Last edited by Ben Toast; 10-25-2017 at 12:37 PM.
Ben Toast is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-04-2017, 11:34 PM   #11
President of the Galaxy
 
Ben Toast's Avatar
 

Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Posts: 5,249
Well she's done! At least, electronics are done. Still need a new nut and a neck adjustment. Was having an issue with buzzing but running a ground patch (little red wire on the left in the picture) from the volume to the tone pot solved this and now there are absolutely no issues with the electronics. I even got bored and wanted to see if something unique (installing lights behind the pickups with a rotary on/off switch in one of the pot holes) could be done without interfering with sound. It can.
Attached Thumbnails
img_2323.jpg   23318608_1934805119883018_1064025863_n.jpg  
__________________
What is the answer to life the universe and everything?

I have a business!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq View Post
...wives are expensive upkeep...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute View Post
Ben Toast, I have been sanctioned by the official CGRARC (Christian Guitar Resources Awesome-ness Recognition Committee) to declare that henceforth and hitherto, you are awesome.


Last edited by Ben Toast; 11-05-2017 at 12:24 PM.
Ben Toast is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 11-08-2017, 06:22 PM   #12
...
Administrator
 
thesteve's Avatar
 

Joined: Apr 2001
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 30,136
Send a message via AIM to thesteve
those lights look rad.
__________________
We've all got ideas. We are the music makers. We make money to buy things, and write down words.

I'm a podcaster
thesteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-20-2018, 09:33 PM   #13
President of the Galaxy
 
Ben Toast's Avatar
 

Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
Posts: 5,249
So I've decided on my next upgrade steps for the SG. This probably won't happen soon, but I want to document it here for future reference.

1) Swap the spst momentary kill button with a dpdt momentary button with a shorter, easier action. Wire one throughput for the signal to operate as a killswitch. Wire the other throughput for lights, so they flash when I hit the killswitch.

2) Fix my push/pull volume so humbucker mode on the bridge is DOWN, and single is UP (it's backwards now).

3) Swap the no-load tone pot for a push/pull no-load tone pot.

4) Install a 9V booster circuit. Use the tone pot's push/pull as an on/off for the booster circuit.

5) Install a trim pot for the booster circuit so I can set the output level to where I want it (higher output to hit my drive section harder when I need more gain, or dial it back for more clean stuff).
__________________
What is the answer to life the universe and everything?

I have a business!
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq View Post
...wives are expensive upkeep...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute View Post
Ben Toast, I have been sanctioned by the official CGRARC (Christian Guitar Resources Awesome-ness Recognition Committee) to declare that henceforth and hitherto, you are awesome.

Ben Toast is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-21-2018, 04:40 PM   #14
Registered User
 
mikesr1963's Avatar
 

Joined: Aug 2006
Location: East Coast of Virginia
Posts: 140
Nice all the way around. If you haven't done the nut yet I recommend a Tusq preslotted nut.
They come in Epiphone style and all you have to do and sand to adjust the height. They're awesome.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Toast View Post
So I've decided on my next upgrade steps for the SG. This probably won't happen soon, but I want to document it here for future reference.

1) Swap the spst momentary kill button with a dpdt momentary button with a shorter, easier action. Wire one throughput for the signal to operate as a killswitch. Wire the other throughput for lights, so they flash when I hit the killswitch.

2) Fix my push/pull volume so humbucker mode on the bridge is DOWN, and single is UP (it's backwards now).

3) Swap the no-load tone pot for a push/pull no-load tone pot.

4) Install a 9V booster circuit. Use the tone pot's push/pull as an on/off for the booster circuit.

5) Install a trim pot for the booster circuit so I can set the output level to where I want it (higher output to hit my drive section harder when I need more gain, or dial it back for more clean stuff).
__________________
"These riffs were built to last a lifetime". Keith Richards.
mikesr1963 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:13 PM.


Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2