[Uptown Thrunk]

Originally Posted by Leboman

Honestly, I haven't gone through every single name on there. Even if I did, I'm sure there are many I am totally unfamiliar with. I can also point out those on the list who aren't mean-spirited.

Unfortunately, for those attacked and marginalised by mean-spirited bullies it doesnt help much at all that a nice person also signed this statement.

[Leboman]

Originally Posted by Uptown Thrunk

Unfortunately, for those attacked and marginalised by mean-spirited bullies it doesnt help much at all that a nice person also signed this statement.

I have since looked up Gagnon and read some very brief things he's shared. I am currently listening to a conversation he had with Jayne Ozanne. Could you kindly point out some of the mean-spirited things he's said because I'm just now learning who he is and I have not encountered any of them yet.

[Uptown Thrunk]

Originally Posted by Leboman

I have since looked up Gagnon and read some very brief things he's shared. I am currently listening to a conversation he had with Jayne Ozanne. Could you kindly point out some of the mean-spirited things he's said because I'm just now learning who he is and I have not encountered any of them yet.

Well, read this speculative tripe for starters: https://m.facebook.com/robert.a.gagn...45?pnref=story

Beyond that, he's pretty typical in calling anyone who doesnt believe as he does about the boundaries of sexual ethics 'heretical', and is a pretty crap scholar to boot. But, the irrelevance of his scholarship is tied directly to his dislike of LGBT people (who are, usually, scare-quoted because they arent actually a legitimate class of people; after all, sin is sin, so everything is equal amd nuances of biology or psychology are thrown out).

The guy is well known among NT scholars to be both a hack and a very rude individual.

[Leboman]

Originally Posted by Uptown Thrunk

Well, read this speculative tripe for starters: https://m.facebook.com/robert.a.gagn...45?pnref=story

Beyond that, he's pretty typical in calling anyone who doesnt believe as he does about the boundaries of sexual ethics 'heretical', and is a pretty crap scholar to boot. But, the irrelevance of his scholarship is tied directly to his dislike of LGBT people (who are, usually, scare-quoted because they arent actually a legitimate class of people; after all, sin is sin, so everything is equal amd nuances of biology or psychology are thrown out).

The guy is well known among NT scholars to be both a hack and a very rude individual.

I will continue to look into the guy but I haven't gotten that from the one "debate" of his that I've listened to. I also reiterate that I had never heard of the guy before you mentioned him.

But at the same time, I am not yet willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

I see names like Sproul, Wright, Packer, Piper, Carson, and Chan up there as well.

[Uptown Thrunk]

Originally Posted by Leboman

I will continue to look into the guy but I haven't gotten that from the one "debate" of his that I've listened to. I also reiterate that I had never heard of the guy before you mentioned him.

But at the same time, I am not yet willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

I see names like Sproul, Wright, Packer, Piper, Carson, and Chan up there as well.

Meh, whatever. Carry on, I guess.

[Leboman]

With that I am bowing out. I have done my best to listen to those here with different views. I thought I was being graceful. I even took the time to look up all of the things you all had to say. I have tried to respond in love and respect. I'm done though. I don't plan to check back in on this thread after posting this so I won't be making any further responses.

Peace

[Daniel21TX]

I see nothing wrong with the statements made regarding sexual sin.

I have a problem with the LGBT agenda being foisted upon our children, as young as kindergarten age in some cases. I have a problem with people trying to teach that these sexual perversions are normal and should be accepted and or embraced. I have a problem with small children being brought to LGBT parades and grown men who are practically naked, twerking in the face of these small children (you can view many examples of this on youtube). I have a problem with these small children turning around and twerking in front of these sexual predators at LGBT parades (again, you can view examples of this on youtube). I have a problem with our children learning these perverse behaviors and thinking they are normal. I have a problem with gay couples, like Mark Newton and Peter Truong, adopting a child to sexually abuse the child.

They are targeting our children with this perverse LGBT agenda and it is about time men of God start taking a stand against it. The focus is on this sin, as opposed to others, likely because this is the agenda that is currently being foisted upon us, and more specifically upon our youth. This is a sin they are wanting people to accept as normal. If people were teaching that stealing was normal and thieves should be accepted for who they are, and that we should just accept and allow thieves to steal, because that is who they are, then I am sure that would likely become a focusing issue of sin that people would be teaching against.


That being said, I also have a problem with culture and television (don't watch T.V. programming, it is straight up poison for the mind) teaching that adultery and fornication are normal and acceptable as well. Make no mistake about it, the sexually immoral will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. God will judge fornicators and adulterers.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


Also, people need to be ashamed of their sinful actions. Many people today shamelessly take pride in their sin.

Romans 6:21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death.


The statement left room for repentance and grace, but people must repent of all of their sins. Normalizing sin and teaching people to accept and embrace their sins, is not biblical. If people are in the church living in that type of sin, I imagine that the apostle Paul would have delivered a lot of these people over to satan for the destruction of the flesh a long time ago.