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Unread 05-12-2017, 11:37 AM   #1
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The Trump Presidency

A lot has happened. Then un-happened. Then happened. And other stuff has possibly happened but maybe not. But probably.

Perhaps one thread to rule them all?

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Unread 05-12-2017, 12:25 PM   #2
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The last remark is correct.

I've been wanting to post threads about events and issues surrounding the President but they seem to be coming so rapid-fire it would be pointless to try to maintain individual threads.

I'm by no means Trump supporter but I'm a strong supporter of level-headed discussion about issues, policies, facts, and speculation.

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Unread 05-31-2017, 09:40 AM   #3
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I'm more disheartened than I thought I would be over President Trump's expected decision to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement. This movement toward removing hindrances from dumping toxins and garbage into the water and air is really frustrating me. While there is certainly some feeling within the U.S. that we've let ourselves go as a country and need to make ourselves better (doing all I can to avoid his campaign slogan while still recognizing that we're not the strong growth country we once were GDP-wise and good-paying-job-wise), this feels like a step in the wrong direction. We're basically spitting on the earth and saying it doesn't matter if we preserve it long-term, because we'll have a better economy for a while.

Ugh.

Am I just overreacting? Is there something about the Paris Accord that we should get out of that I just am not seeing?
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I'm more disheartened than I thought I would be over President Trump's expected decision to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement. This movement toward removing hindrances from dumping toxins and garbage into the water and air is really frustrating me. While there is certainly some feeling within the U.S. that we've let ourselves go as a country and need to make ourselves better (doing all I can to avoid his campaign slogan while still recognizing that we're not the strong growth country we once were GDP-wise and good-paying-job-wise), this feels like a step in the wrong direction. We're basically spitting on the earth and saying it doesn't matter if we preserve it long-term, because we'll have a better economy for a while.

Ugh.

Am I just overreacting? Is there something about the Paris Accord that we should get out of that I just am not seeing?
I wonder if his move is not so much anti-climate change as much as it is posturing to try and show that America doesn't need to be bound by any other country, if that makes sense. That has been a very common thread in a lot of his rhetoric and his decision making (his remarks about the Germans, his remarks about NATO, etc.).

That said I find it very disheartening. Even industry leaders and representatives supported the Paris climate agreement.
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I see through your thinly veiled attempt to start a neutral discussion about the current president. These kinds of threads are not started (here or on any other forum) for fair and balanced discussion. In the very rare instances when that is the intention they quickly degenerate into mudslinging.... just like politics in general.

I propose a title that would more truly reflect the intention, or at least the reality, of what this thread will become is "Let's talk about the Trump Train Wreck".

Imma go get my popcorn and see what happens.
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The presidency has been very well covfefed
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What a bizarre man.
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Well, I guess that is kinda true.

But, I dont think any has quite been as strange, uncouth, or as bad and pervasive with their lies.
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Richard Nixon? Resigned before they could impeach him.

Ronald Reagan? Former actor who consulted an astrologer while President.

Bill Clinton? Actually was impeached by the House of Representatives.

I may have to respectfully disagree.

I forgot how old you were :P
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Richard Nixon? Resigned before they could impeach him.

Ronald Reagan? Former actor who consulted an astrologer while President.

Bill Clinton? Actually was impeached by the House of Representatives.


I may have to respectfully disagree.

Speaking of quirky, uncouth, and vulgar politicians: You can't forget the Kennedy's.

But, to the poster you were replying to: Yes, Trump is a bizarre president.
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Nope, he's outright bizarre. Comparisons to other presidents do nothing to diminish his strangeness.

It is likely a blessing that his bizarreness is matched by his ineptitude. For all of his mistakes, gaffes, and outright sins, he hasn't really accomplished much of anything that could really be considered damaging. (Put another way, presidents far less bizarre than this man have caused much greater damage both at home and abroad.)

As a historian, it's been fascinating to watch between the cringing.
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I would disagree that Trump has done nothing to cause lasting damage.

He has whipped up the existing divergence of political opinions to the point where people on opposite 'sides' can no longer see anything of value in the opinion or position of the other.

He has also seriously damaged America's reputation on the world stage and with its allies. With his brinksmanship with North Korea in particular, how can the South - one of the USA's biggest allies - trust that the US will not drag them into a war between two narcissists (Trump and Kim Jeong-un) with the Republic of Korea caught in the crossfire.

Need I remind anyone, the DPRK does not need nukes to cause serious damage to South Korea. Seoul is within easy artillery range of the Korean DMZ.

I know my Korean-Canadian friends are scared.
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What we could use is another James K. Polk. Fulfill all your campaign promises and then retire after 1 term because you accomplished everything. Highly underrated guy.
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I’m not even American, and he spends too much time in my news feed.
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