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Unread 01-26-2019, 10:41 AM   #31
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I'm not sure that the Clinton shenanigans are in any way similar in form or essence to what Trump has done.

It may depend on how quickly the investigation tracks along. Hopefully something happens before the summer. But, the clock is ticking on Trump, I think.

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Also, (maybe slightly irrelevant and off-topic, but sort of related) I'm not sure why anyone cares that other countries may have had an influence in our election. We influence elections (among numerous other things i.e. war and propping up governments) in other nations.

I'm not sure we have a right to be angry as we are just as guilty. Well, I suppose except for the fact that we are America and the greatest country on earth and can do no wrong. //end sarcasm

Honestly, I'm just tired of the entire thing. I don't care if Trump colluded with the Russians. I don't care if Clinton would have colluded with the Russians. I'm not sure it was worth the expenditure that we have had to burden ourselves with to get very little return on that investment.
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Can I see some info about this?

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Also, (maybe slightly irrelevant and off-topic, but sort of related) I'm not sure why anyone cares that other countries may have had an influence in our election. We influence elections (among numerous other things i.e. war and propping up governments) in other nations.

I'm not sure we have a right to be angry as we are just as guilty. Well, I suppose except for the fact that we are America and the greatest country on earth and can do no wrong. //end sarcasm

Honestly, I'm just tired of the entire thing. I don't care if Trump colluded with the Russians. I don't care if Clinton would have colluded with the Russians. I'm not sure it was worth the expenditure that we have had to burden ourselves with to get very little return on that investment.
This makes me sad.

I am afraid for the future of our country. Mostly because of the erosion of faith in our processes and our institutions.
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This makes me sad.

I am afraid for the future of our country. Mostly because of the erosion of faith in our processes and our institutions.
I've been afraid for the future for quite some time. I firmly believe we will be destroyed from the inside instead of someone attacking us from outside.
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Y'all been paying attention to what is going on now?

Pretty crazy stuff. President involved in quid pro quo with foreign nation for political gain.
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It's pretty nuts. As it has been for the last several years... But it just gets worse the longer it goes on.
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And here's the kicker: No matter what the House decides to do, the Senate will not impeach (I believe).
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And here's the kicker: No matter what the House decides to do, the Senate will not impeach (I believe).
Probably true.

But, maybe the process of impeachment is more important than what the Senate may decide to do.

For instance, presenting the facts in a clear manner for the citizens of the US to see
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Probably true.

But, maybe the process of impeachment is more important than what the Senate may decide to do.

For instance, presenting the facts in a clear manner for the citizens of the US to see
The transcript is available.

Spoiler alert: it's nothing.
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The transcript is available.

Spoiler alert: it's nothing.
Huh? Its exceptionally damning. As is the whistleblower report, which notes that the transcript was moved to a separate system to keep it under wraps.

I'm guessing you havent been paying close attention to what is going on with this?
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In case anyone isnt caught up, here is a good summary:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/self-imp...y-conversation
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But, maybe the process of impeachment is more important than what the Senate may decide to do.

For instance, presenting the facts in a clear manner for the citizens of the US to see
I would say that is accurate.

What I am more curious about is what if he would have asked for the same investigation about a non-rival that had not declared candidacy? Would this be a thing? Do special situations arise simply because you're a rival?

Even more of a launching point: What happens if there is sketchy work by the family there to the possibility of it being illegal? Does that change anything?

Personally, I believe the conversation existed and there may have been discussion and possibly to the point that this inquiry is needed. However, I'm also skeptical as we have seen him put through the ringer more than any other president. Since the outset he has been under investigation and there has been an incredible amount of money spent by the government to prove nothing (so far).

What I'm also surprised by is the fact that people are continually worried about someone interfering with our elections but turn a blind eye when we do it to other sovereign nations.

All that to say, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out and most likely at least one person will lose their job. Who that is remains to be seen.
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Huh? Its exceptionally damning. As is the whistleblower report, which notes that the transcript was moved to a separate system to keep it under wraps.

I'm guessing you havent been paying close attention to what is going on with this?
I was 8 hours behind on the news cycle but caught up now. It makes it a little shadier but I stand by my thoughts. I agree with Lee above and he worded it better than I could.

Trump released the transcript and the complaint so calling it a cover-up is absurd. That's transparency.

I think this is just another weak attempt to oust our duly elected president. They know that they are not likely to win a fair fight. My crazy conspiracy theory is that Trump blew the whistle himself to get Bidens alleged crime in the news and make the Democrats look like morons (again).
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