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Unread 10-10-2017, 07:35 PM   #16
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Speaking of quirky, uncouth, and vulgar politicians: You can't forget the Kennedy's.

But, to the poster you were replying to: Yes, Trump is a bizarre president.
I limited it to Presidents during my lifetime. Nixon was in office when I was born in 1970.

Ford became President when Nixon resigned and was in office less than three years. He was a 33 Mason.

George H.W. Bush's oil company (Zapata) allowed the CIA to use its offshore rigs during the Bay Of Pigs Invasion.

And then there's W and Obama.

Need I say more?

Bizarre indeed.

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Unread 10-10-2017, 07:39 PM   #17
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I do want to say that I am in no way defending Trump. I don't like him at all. I never have. I'm just suggesting he's not as (insert choice negative adjective here) as any other President we've had.
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Unread 10-10-2017, 09:58 PM   #18
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Nope, he's outright bizarre. Comparisons to other presidents do nothing to diminish his strangeness.

It is likely a blessing that his bizarreness is matched by his ineptitude. For all of his mistakes, gaffes, and outright sins, he hasn't really accomplished much of anything that could really be considered damaging. (Put another way, presidents far less bizarre than this man have caused much greater damage both at home and abroad.)

As a historian, it's been fascinating to watch between the cringing.
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Unread 10-11-2017, 04:27 AM   #19
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Nope, he's outright bizarre. Comparisons to other presidents do nothing to diminish his strangeness.

It is likely a blessing that his bizarreness is matched by his ineptitude. For all of his mistakes, gaffes, and outright sins, he hasn't really accomplished much of anything that could really be considered damaging. (Put another way, presidents far less bizarre than this man have caused much greater damage both at home and abroad.)

As a historian, it's been fascinating to watch between the cringing.
Oh...I didn't say he wasn't bizarre.

I have gotten old enough that nothing surprises me any more...not even Trump. If you really stop and think about it it makes perfect sense that he would end up in the White House.
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I would disagree that Trump has done nothing to cause lasting damage.

He has whipped up the existing divergence of political opinions to the point where people on opposite 'sides' can no longer see anything of value in the opinion or position of the other.

He has also seriously damaged America's reputation on the world stage and with its allies. With his brinksmanship with North Korea in particular, how can the South - one of the USA's biggest allies - trust that the US will not drag them into a war between two narcissists (Trump and Kim Jeong-un) with the Republic of Korea caught in the crossfire.

Need I remind anyone, the DPRK does not need nukes to cause serious damage to South Korea. Seoul is within easy artillery range of the Korean DMZ.

I know my Korean-Canadian friends are scared.
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I would disagree that Trump has done nothing to cause lasting damage.

He has whipped up the existing divergence of political opinions to the point where people on opposite 'sides' can no longer see anything of value in the opinion or position of the other.

He has also seriously damaged America's reputation on the world stage and with its allies. With his brinksmanship with North Korea in particular, how can the South - one of the USA's biggest allies - trust that the US will not drag them into a war between two narcissists (Trump and Kim Jeong-un) with the Republic of Korea caught in the crossfire.

Need I remind anyone, the DPRK does not need nukes to cause serious damage to South Korea. Seoul is within easy artillery range of the Korean DMZ.

I know my Korean-Canadian friends are scared.
I could argue that every President this country has had has done something that caused lasting damage. I could especially argue that with most of the ones in my lifetime.

Once again, I'm not defending him but to somehow suggest that he is THAT much worse than any other President is just not true. He's nowhere near the worst this country has seen. He's nowhere near the best either. Because I believe and trust in the sovereignty of God, I'm not too terribly worried about what he or any other politician does. There have been MUCH worse governments that the United States or Korea and God has somehow managed to remain in control. I trust that won't change regardless of what may or may not happen.
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What we could use is another James K. Polk. Fulfill all your campaign promises and then retire after 1 term because you accomplished everything. Highly underrated guy.
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Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again....
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Unread 12-11-2018, 09:40 AM   #27
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I couldn't tell you a single thing he's said in a while. I just don't follow him at all. I don't follow politics. The closest I've come lately was watching a recap of President George H.W. Bush's funeral.
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It isn't really even about what he has said or done lately. It is about the indictments and verdicts on his close associates. Flynn and Cohen, most prominently. It is looking bad for him. I know most will not agree with me, but I really doubt that he will be in the running for the Presidency for the next election, for one reason or another.
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It isn't really even about what he has said or done lately. It is about the indictments and verdicts on his close associates. Flynn and Cohen, most prominently. It is looking bad for him. I know most will not agree with me, but I really doubt that he will be in the running for the Presidency for the next election, for one reason or another.
I'll believe it when I see it. The man loves himself too much.

Let's be honest here though; everyone who voted for him knew he was dodgy. I would guess a very minute number of voters were convinced he was a nice guy. But we've had non-stop media coverage of him since 2015, ranging from things that were true and concerning, to largely things that don't matter (he drinks HOW many Diet Cokes a day?!), and then to things that were just plain false (BuzzFeed and the Russian dossier anyone?). No one cared because they knew it; and I imagine by the time the election rolled around, it was a combination of preferring his policies and stances to Hillary and just doubling down.

Ben Shapiro pointed out a while back when it was rumoured Oprah might run for 2020: everyone knows who Trump is and what he's like. No one's surprised. This Stormy Daniels thing? No one's surprised, no one cares. It's just finding dirt and throwing it at a pile of dirt; short of a criminal charge, nothing's really going to change his image negatively.

Oprah on the other hand, is a media darling with an almost pristine image. If she goes to election, when dirt does get out (there almost certainly will be something), it's going to cause damage. Trump more or less has immunity because no one's surprised.

Again: not a Trump supporter. I definitely do offer credit where it's due though.
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