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Unread 02-16-2017, 09:50 PM   #1
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Beauty & the Beast (2017)

okay so i realize we ladies are few, but anyone else excited about this?!

beauty & the beast is my favorite fairy tale, and i quite like emma watson. the other members of the cast make it look pretty promising, too.

pretty excited to celebrate turning 30 with this. (well, this and visiting ireland/the uk.)

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Unread 02-17-2017, 08:41 AM   #2
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I don't not like Emma Watson. But I have a very hard time seeing her as Belle. I'm not sure what it is.

That said, it does look like it will be good.
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Unread 02-17-2017, 10:38 AM   #3
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you know i had trouble picturing her as belle, too, but i like her as an actress so i am interested to see how it will go. i think she'll bring intelligence and strength to the role, instead of a fluffy princess performance. for example, i like mirror mirror, but lily collins' snow was totally naive and weak, and had to find her strength along the way. belle has always been strong and intellectual, and i think that will be shown on screen. i hope.
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The cartoon was a favorite of mine as a child.

I won't say I'm excited about this, but that is only because I am pretty apathetic about anything that a vast majority of other humans get excited about.

If I break through that natural hipster exterior, then maybe I'd find a kernel of true excitement.

Either way, I bet it will be great and I will end up seeing it.
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So, apparently Lefou is gay. I now get to explain to my daughter why she is too young to watch it.
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So, apparently Lefou is gay. I now get to explain to my daughter why she is too young to watch it.
how old is she?
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I've heard that he was so "obviously" gay in the original, but I have a hard time seeing it...

Incidentally, just watched a clip from the new version, and the Gaston is, well, measley and really un-Gaston like...
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I've heard that he was so "obviously" gay in the original, but I have a hard time seeing it...

Incidentally, just watched a clip from the new version, and the Gaston is, well, measley and really un-Gaston like...
I don't have a hard time at all seeing that LaFou is in love with Gaston. I've always felt that way.

I have a hard time thinking that having a gay character is really a problem when the movie is about magic in the first place, and depicts a human/pseudo-human relationship, kidnapping leading to a happy ending, etc. I just don't see why one thing is so horrendous as to cause so much objection, and other things are not.

Anyhow, I'm excited to see it.
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I've heard that he was so "obviously" gay in the original, but I have a hard time seeing it....
It kind of fundamentally changes the character. He goes from being the pathetic fool desparetly trying to impress Gaston to being sexually attracted to him.

He was certainly weird before....but gay?
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I don't have a hard time at all seeing that LaFou is in love with Gaston. I've always felt that way.

I have a hard time thinking that having a gay character is really a problem when the movie is about magic in the first place, and depicts a human/pseudo-human relationship, kidnapping leading to a happy ending, etc. I just don't see why one thing is so horrendous as to cause so much objection, and other things are not.

Anyhow, I'm excited to see it.
The issue for me isn't so much what's actually in the film. The issue is with what Disney, the director and the crew are openly trying to do.

They aren't claiming to be making a movie about Stockholmn Syndrome to normalize kidnapping as a method of finding true love. They are stating they're making LaFou gay in order to spread their views on homosexuality to children.

I'm mildly uncomfortable with making LaFou openly gay.
I'm very uncomfortable with Disney actively trying to indoctrinate my kids.
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To play devil's advocate, I'm surprised that this is a "win" for LGBT groups. Unless it's drastically changed, LeFou was a sad underling to a moronically macho semi-antagonist. It's the sort of portrayal that I feel like you'd have seen of homosexuals in the 80s.
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Out of curiosity, for those who are opposed to LeFou being gay in this adaptation: would you be more or less comfortable with a brand new story from Disney in which a character with about as big of a role as LeFou was gay? Or does the "update" to an existing character make it different?

Not looking to argue this, just wondering where you guys are coming from.
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To play devil's advocate, I'm surprised that this is a "win" for LGBT groups. Unless it's drastically changed, LeFou was a sad underling to a moronically macho semi-antagonist. It's the sort of portrayal that I feel like you'd have seen of homosexuals in the 80s.
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Out of curiosity, for those who are opposed to LeFou being gay in this adaptation: would you be more or less comfortable with a brand new story from Disney in which a character with about as big of a role as LeFou was gay? Or does the "update" to an existing character make it different?

Not looking to argue this, just wondering where you guys are coming from.
I'd be more comfortable with the character but equally suspicious of Disney...especially if the director is talking about how he wanted to show a man exploring his sexuality in a kids movie.

But yes it's particularly frustrating when they're changing the nature of a character in a manner which just so happens to line up with their progressive views for the purpose of shaping the way children think.
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To play devil's advocate, I'm surprised that this is a "win" for LGBT groups. Unless it's drastically changed, LeFou was a sad underling to a moronically macho semi-antagonist. It's the sort of portrayal that I feel like you'd have seen of homosexuals in the 80s.
I hadn't seen the film in a long time, and I didn't remember the character at all.

I watched the song clip in the pub from the original yesterday. I was baffled, mostly for the reason you mention.

He's ugly and kinda a creepy guy. But, then again, at least he didn't fall into the camp stereptype that all gay characters from the 90s and 00s did.

I watched a clip of the new movie of the same scene and, well, it looked bland and Lefou did seem to fit more into that rather blunt stereotype, though not the worst I've seen.

Most gay characters suck on television. I've seen very few that, instead of fetishizing gay people, turn them into, ya know, *people*.

It may be that Lefou's retcon (ohhhh! A nerd word!) actually humanises him. But, I'm having doubts.
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