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Unread 02-02-2017, 09:19 AM   #1
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Studying Biblical Languages

I didn't take it in Bible College (really regretting that now) and am really wanting to learn as much as possible on my own.

For those of you who have studied it independently, what are the best resources you have come across? I wish I had the money to actually take it under a professor but that isn't in the cards at the moment.

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Unread 02-02-2017, 09:34 AM   #2
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I didn't take it in Bible College (really regretting that now) and am really wanting to learn as much as possible on my own.

For those of you who have studied it independently, what are the best resources you have come across? I wish I had the money to actually take it under a professor but that isn't in the cards at the moment.
First and foremost, a copy of the NT in Greek. The latest Nestle-Aland is a must!

http://www.nestle-aland.com/en/the-28-edition/
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First and foremost, a copy of the NT in Greek. The latest Nestle-Aland is a must!

Nestle Aland Novum Testamentum Graece :: The 28 Edition
I've got a couple Greek NT in my LOGOS library.

It does have the NA 27th edition. I can buy the newest one and install it. It's $39.99. It's $99.99 with the Critical Apparatus included.
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I've got several Greek NT in my LOGOS library.

It does have the NA 27th edition. I can buy the newest one and install it. It's $39.99.

I also have an ESV interlinear.
Honestly... you are probably fine with the 27th.
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Are there any other tools that you would deem essential?

I have lexicons and grammars and things like that in LOGOS. There are also some other books that seem helpful.

I do have Mounce's Greek For The Rest Of Us here in the office and have thought about getting this.

Basics Of Biblical Greek
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I just found THIS book (with the key) in my LOGOS library.

Maybe this is a good place to begin.
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I just found THIS book (with the key) in my LOGOS library.

Maybe this is a good place to begin.
If be careful with using resources that have been published independently.
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If be careful with using resources that have been published independently.
I was under the impression that this is long respected text that has been revised and updated several times. The original edition was published by Cambridge Press in 1913 by a guy named HPV Nunn who taught at St. John's and Cambridge.

I know it's over one hundred years old though. That's a downside.
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I was under the impression that this is long respected text that has been revised and updated several times. The original edition was published by Cambridge Press in 1913 by a guy named HPV Nunn who taught at St. John's and Cambridge.

I know it's over one hundred years old though. That's a downside.
Oh, I was just going by publisher on Amazon.

Personally, I wouldn't go with a text that old. Im not sure how it has been updated, but as we have learned the nuances of the language, it does change how we teach and learn it and even how to properly translate it.
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Oh, I was just going by publisher on Amazon.

Personally, I wouldn't go with a text that old. Im not sure how it has been updated, but as we have learned the nuances of the language, it does change how we teach and learn it and even how to properly translate it.
Another author "updated" it in 1965 and it seems a third author "updated" it in 2005.

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Another author "updated" it in 1965 and it seems a third author "updated" it in 2005.

Third Edition
Looks like it is probably a solid update.
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In the early 1900s Greek was still taught through Latin eyes, forcing declensions and tense into romantic categories that would've been a little foreign to the Koine audience. I'd recommend Mounce or Wallace over all other textbooks I know. I learned through Machen, and that was adequate but not ideal.

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First and foremost, a copy of the NT in Greek. The latest Nestle-Aland is a must!

http://www.nestle-aland.com/en/the-28-edition/
I second that motion. 27 or later is fine. I have, I think, a 26 and 27. I honestly can't remember.

You can also get the SBL GNT app on your phone.
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Question for y'all: how similar is the Greek of the LXX to the Greek of the New Testament?
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Question for y'all: how similar is the Greek of the LXX to the Greek of the New Testament?
They are both Koine. But, I would think that there would be different vocabulary used. I'm not sure about the differences in vocabulary, however.

I'm sure that someone who was familiar with translating the NT could do a decent job translating the LXX. But, there will be the usual difficulties of translating accurately when encountering a new, and very varied, text. It was, for instance, translated over several centuries, so I'd expect differences in how certain words were translated over from ancient Hebrew.

But, this, I'd think, wouldn't be different than the difficulties of, say, moving from translating Hebrews, to 2 Peter, to Romans. Different emphases, vocabulary, sentence construction, and different mistakes (2 Peter is notorious for being written poorly).

But, I haven't spent much time with the LXX. Maybe athanatos has?
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You can read the GNT easily if you can read the LXX, but the reverse is not true. The LXX is MUCH more difficult in terms of style and has a huge vocabulary. It also has a wide variance in the quality of the Greek. The most difficult Greek in the NT is nothing compared to some of the LXX, where you seem to have people translating who either don't really speak Hebrew very well or don't really speak Greek very well.

That said, I enjoy the challenge of the LXX from time-to-time. Back to Lee's questions:
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