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Unread 02-14-2017, 09:27 PM   #61
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Really now? By accounts there are about 2.2 billion Christians in the world, most of whom are Roman Catholics, followed closely by the Orthodox. They typically have no problem with drinking. I can tell you for certain that it is only a very small subset of fundamentalist Protestantism that has a problem with alcohol.
well the traditional Methodists in the country i'm staying in doooo not like alcohol.

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Unread 02-15-2017, 02:58 AM   #62
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well the traditional Methodists in the country i'm staying in doooo not like alcohol.
Ahhh. Fiji, yes? Is there a long history of alcohol devastating the native population?
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Rural areas are notorious for alcohol abuse and the other abuses that result from it. It makes perfect sense that many are opposed to it. As someone who is not, I have to show grace and mercy to those who may not understand why it is okay for some to drink.

I don't believe it is my duty to convince them otherwise. If I am able to, that's great. As long as they are willing to give grace to those with differing opinions, I'm fine.
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Unread 02-15-2017, 10:02 AM   #64
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Yeah. I never thought of that, but it seems likely that a lot of rural areas would have an opposition to alcohol more rooted in experience than theology.
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Unread 02-15-2017, 10:23 AM   #65
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Yeah. I never thought of that, but it seems likely that a lot of rural areas would have an opposition to alcohol more rooted in experience than theology.
It's definitely not theological in most cases. Very rarely do I run into people who think Jesus turned water into grape juice. It's usually people who have seen lives (usually family members) destroyed by alcohol.

I can make all the logical arguments to show them that the Bible doesn't condemn it but their personal experiences have convinced them that nothing good can come from it.

It's a difficult thing to deal with sometimes.
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It's definitely not theological in most cases. Very rarely do I run into people who think Jesus turned water into grape juice. It's usually people who have seen lives (usually family members) destroyed by alcohol. I can make all the logical arguments to show them that the Bible doesn't condemn it but their personal experiences have convinced them that nothing good can come from it. It's a difficult thing to deal with sometimes.
There are actually many people who believe that Jesus turned water into grape juice. I run into them every day. I tend to avoid the topic with the circle of Christians I am exposed to.
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There are actually many people who believe that Jesus turned water into grape juice. I run into them every day. I tend to avoid the topic with the circle of Christians I am exposed to.
Yep. I've encountered that quite often.

But, actually, in East Texas I hardly knew ANY Baptists who actually believed that. Those who abstained from alcohol did so because of personal or communal reasons, not because they believed it was sinful or that Jesus and the disciples abstained.,
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There are actually many people who believe that Jesus turned water into grape juice. I run into them every day. I tend to avoid the topic with the circle of Christians I am exposed to.
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Yep. I've encountered that quite often.

But, actually, in East Texas I hardly knew ANY Baptists who actually believed that. Those who abstained from alcohol did so because of personal or communal reasons, not because they believed it was sinful or that Jesus and the disciples abstained.,
Oh, I know there are. I have had some experience with them. I have a couple of folks here that won't go so far as to say that but I know they have a hard time with the idea of Jesus making alcohol.
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And Paul recommended taking some grape juice for frequent ailments, too. Yay prohibition! It's still dragging down Christianity today...
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And Paul recommended taking some grape juice for frequent ailments, too. Yay prohibition! It's still dragging down Christianity today...
What's the reference to that?
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What's the reference to that?
It's a joke. A tongue-in-cheek reference to a teetotaller interpretation of 1 Tim 5:23
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what he said. I forget, I automatically don't generate the /sarcasm hashtag... bah!
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It is so important as Christians that we support people who have been challenged by alcohol abuse by not putting them in a tempting environment if we can avoid it. I enjoy wine with dinner, but when my family gets together at Christmas and Easter, we have close to 50 people who abstain because one member of the family is a recovering alcoholic. He's 20 years sober, and says that it doesn't bother him when people drink around him anymore. Still, it's something we do out of respect. He is a Christian, and doesn't believe that alcohol is forbidden for all, but it is forbidden for him.
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what she said. I also try to consider the potential audience before I cook with beer (ie. bratwurst, chili, etc.)
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I live in an extremely rural area and the general consensus among most folks is that alcohol ruins lives. That's not just in Christian circles either. That is one reason I am VERY careful about my rare intake.

Although I did have a very tasty beer not too long ago: Stone Mint Coffee Milk Stout.
I haven't been on this site in forever but we "see" each other enough online that I think you will know this is not coming from a spirit of judgement. But I think your words could be interpreted as "I don't deny to the community or my congregation that I have a drink from time to time but.... if the get the impression that I drink regularly or more often than they think is appropriate it will diminish my standing in the community or with my congregation. So I'm VERY CAREFUL when I drink i.e. I make sure no one knows".

Not trying to be a jerk but it just seems if you believe it's OK to drink you shouldn't need to be "very careful" about it.

Ironically, I was a tee totaler when I joined this group and no longer am. I think I made a few pretty harsh posts about Christians who drink back then. Even more ironic given the post I just made....my parents and siblings don't drink so I'm "very careful".....
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