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Unread 07-29-2016, 08:48 AM   #16
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At times i abstain because of culture or because of the influence i have at that time. Other times i drink but never to the point where i lose control.
Alcohol should never be food for dogs.

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Unread 07-29-2016, 06:19 PM   #17
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Alcohol should never be food for dogs.
Pretty sure you're thinking of chocolate.
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3 Reasons Dogs Should Never Drink Alcohol

Dogs have problems with ethanol for the same reason they have problems with chocolate - their livers aren't built to metabolize ethanol in the same way they're not built to metabolize theobromine (the offending component in chocolate). Because they metabolize both substances incredibly slowly and are much smaller than a human, both substances built up to toxic levels very quickly.

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The church I grew up in put wine in a different category. It was okay to have wine with dinner, because then it's part of the meal. Drinking alcohol at other times was considered "entertainment" and not acceptable. Anyone else encounter this?
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The church I grew up in put wine in a different category. It was okay to have wine with dinner, because then it's part of the meal. Drinking alcohol at other times was considered "entertainment" and not acceptable. Anyone else encounter this?
Growing up in the south pretty much meant that all drinking was considered off limits. It didn't help that I lived across the street from a bona fide redneck biker joint and saw the absolute worst things about alcohol on a nightly basis.
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So, what about challenging errors? I know it is taxing to say "but actually, God never commands against alcohol", but a lot of Christian culture has been shifting with respect to alcohol. I think it's becoming easier, and we should just continue on that path. It isn't healthy to teach something is a sin, when it is "rules taught by men"-- there will be legitimate distrust on other issues, say no-fault-divorce/remarriage, homosexuality, premarital sex, and a bunch of other issues Christianity goes against the culture on.
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So, what about challenging errors? I know it is taxing to say "but actually, God never commands against alcohol", but a lot of Christian culture has been shifting with respect to alcohol. I think it's becoming easier, and we should just continue on that path. It isn't healthy to teach something is a sin, when it is "rules taught by men"-- there will be legitimate distrust on other issues, say no-fault-divorce/remarriage, homosexuality, premarital sex, and a bunch of other issues Christianity goes against the culture on.
I think if the opportunity presents itself we should. That being said, I don't think it's something I prepared to force upon people who are coming from a different perspective.

Truthfully, I can find more compelling reasons to not drink than I can to support it. I think this clearly falls into the "opinion" category and I'm willing to allow room for differences. For me I'm willing to say that the Bible doesn't condemn alcohol but I still believe Christians should be very careful about how they approach it. I think we'd all be better off if we didn't drink.

Once again...just one humble man's opinion.
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My brother wouldn't go to church because he was a smoker, and he felt that people judged him because they could smell smoke on him. Does a pastor/church that takes a position against alcohol seem unwelcoming to people who enjoy a beer or a glass of wine? Just thinking out loud.
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My brother wouldn't go to church because he was a smoker, and he felt that people judged him because they could smell smoke on him. Does a pastor/church that takes a position against alcohol seem unwelcoming to people who enjoy a beer or a glass of wine? Just thinking out loud.
A church that took a stance entirely against alcohol would certainly be a turn off to me. Beyond my own personal beliefs, I have a lot of friends that are drinkers, both Christian and not.
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You guys are hitting my root beef with this topic. The subtle or not so subtle legalism that can get dished out by congregations on smoking or drinking. People are messy and imperfect in many different ways. Taking a vocal legalistic stance in the wrong way can chase off the very people that church is for. The guy smoking outside the front door may have less sin issues than the guy behind the pulpit, but gets the bum wrap. I struggle with this.
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My brother wouldn't go to church because he was a smoker, and he felt that people judged him because they could smell smoke on him. Does a pastor/church that takes a position against alcohol seem unwelcoming to people who enjoy a beer or a glass of wine? Just thinking out loud.
I don't take a particular position as a pastor as far as the congregation goes. We have members I know smoke and we have some I know drink. I don't think any less of them. We do have some members who are classic teetotalers and I sometimes wonder if they might not frighten some folks off. As far as the church goes, we don't have a position. We do have a no alcohol on the grounds and a no smoking in the building policy but I think that's something different.

FWIW...I'm not even a teetotaler. I am sure that at some point I will have another beer or cigar. I just don't want it to become a habit again.
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This falls under the heading of lawful but not profitable...
It is lawful to drink (not get drunk)--but is it profitable?
Maybe in some cases it is & in some it isn't.

That said I have been in pubs with pastors more than once--never seen any of them get drunk though.
(One or more pastor--usually more than one)
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This falls under the heading of lawful but not profitable...
It is lawful to drink (not get drunk)--but is it profitable?
Maybe in some cases it is & in some it isn't.
It can't be a blanket statement. Alcohol was created to make hearts glad. The only times it isn't profitable is when one drinks against his conscience, knowingly in the presence of one whose conscience is sensitive towards alcohol, or when one drinks to excess (on purpose or not).
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It can't be a blanket statement. Alcohol was created to make hearts glad. The only times it isn't profitable is when one drinks against his conscience, knowingly in the presence of one whose conscience is sensitive towards alcohol, or when one drinks to excess (on purpose or not).
Actually, I don't think you can definitively say that it was created to make hearts glad. I know those verses but I think that is stretching it a bit.
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As some that was a pastor for 8 years and is literally typing this I'm in out patient treatment for alcohol abuse while unemployed....

Alcohol wasn't the problem. My response to stress and warning signs was the problem.

Being able to model what healthy behavior looks like is important to people and I think that includes displaying moderation with alcohol.
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