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Unread 04-19-2015, 07:15 PM   #16
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Oh, cool . It's a desktop monitor. Wow. I've always wanted to make my own computer .

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Unread 04-20-2015, 07:54 PM   #17
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It's gonna cost more than a MacBook. But, maybe not. Sheesh. So, what this "toaster" for? Is it a actual computer?
It'll be my music production station. Decided it would be more cost-effective in the long run to build a desktop that I can keep upgrading as I go.

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That would be the point of this thread, Ben is planning on building a new computer(Which he has dubbed "The Toaster"), and is wanting feedback on his planned build.

Back on topic: I don't see anything screaming waaaaaat at me(outside of I don't recall having ever seeing a Xeon in a non-server machine, but that's been brought up), although +1 for double-checking your power requirements, just to be safe. Also, why aren't you using a 7200RPM HDD, 5400 is typically more for laptop use IIRC.

I don't see Monitor/Keyboard, have you looked into that yet?
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It's not insanely rare to see a Xeon in a non-server. Some gamers like to use them (including Windows Server, but that relates to the early days when only Server supported dual processors) and I have seen them purposed for things like this.

As for the HDD, Ben did say he's trying to keep heat and power usage low. For what Ben's trying to do, a faster HDD isn't exactly a huge need.
Just to touch on both of these...

The Xeon was recommended by somebody over at HF. They said that it would perform the same as an equivalent i7, for less cost. I just want to make sure that it'll match up well with Pro Tools, since that will be my main platform for recording and production.

The SSD would be my main drive, software and OS stuff. The other drives I may to 7200RPM for smoother performance, but I don't think it'll be entirely necessary if all they're being used for is storage and streaming of files. I know the idea is to lighten the load all around so that Pro Tools can run smoother, which will allow for a more smooth and efficient workflow.

I'm still not sure if I'll want an actual sound card or not. From what I've been seeing/hearing/reading, onboard sound cards are mostly used for gaming, and external audio interfaces act as sound cards as is, taking a lot of processing load off of the CPU.
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Unread 04-20-2015, 08:09 PM   #18
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I've been out of the sound card game for a while, so I haven't really compared any. But onboard stuff gets handles stuff pretty well in terms of output. If you're already using another interface for input then there's no real benefit (unless you can get a really great one at an insanely good price). Just something else to draw power.

Have you confirmed your power requirements, btw?
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Unread 04-20-2015, 08:43 PM   #19
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That's a cool idea. Maybe, I'll do that one day, maybe, it will take a little growing up to make a actual computer. Hmmmm, maybe not? I was also thinking of making a device, electronic device. Anyway, hope the computer works for you well .
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Unread 04-20-2015, 09:52 PM   #20
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I've been out of the sound card game for a while, so I haven't really compared any. But onboard stuff gets handles stuff pretty well in terms of output. If you're already using another interface for input then there's no real benefit (unless you can get a really great one at an insanely good price). Just something else to draw power.

Have you confirmed your power requirements, btw?
That's what I was thinking as well, about the sound card. I'll confirm the power requirements as I get closer to buying parts (we're talking eights months at the soonest), and that will probably fluctuate as the build changes. Who knows, I may decide to go with a hex core CPU and different mobo. -shrug-

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That's a cool idea. Maybe, I'll do that one day, maybe, it will take a little growing up to make a actual computer. Hmmmm, maybe not? I was also thinking of making a device, electronic device. Anyway, hope the computer works for you well .
That would be cool. This is my first build, and I can say even with years of experience working on computers, it's a scary thing.


Oh, I never touched base on mouse and keyboard. I'll cross that bridge when I reach it. I don't have any fancy requirements since I'm not doing any gaming.
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Unread 04-20-2015, 09:58 PM   #21
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That's what I was thinking as well, about the sound card. I'll confirm the power requirements as I get closer to buying parts (we're talking eights months at the soonest), and that will probably fluctuate as the build changes. Who knows, I may decide to go with a hex core CPU and different mobo. -shrug-
Yeah that's true. I mean, if you can get something similar speed (or faster) with more cores at not much more of a price difference, you may as well.

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That would be cool. This is my first build, and I can say even with years of experience working on computers, it's a scary thing.
The only thing that's hard to screw up with what you're doing is the Intel heatsink and CPU (bend the pins on the board and you need a new board). Not that it happens very often, but I always hate dealing with them.

Everything else looks good, so the only problems you'll have is either underestimating your PSU requirements or somehow damaging a component when putting it in.

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Oh, I never touched base on mouse and keyboard. I'll cross that bridge when I reach it. I don't have any fancy requirements since I'm not doing any gaming.
Wired is obviously more reliable where better. But if you're not too fussy, even low end Logitech and Microsoft wireless stuff is okay.
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Unread 04-21-2015, 01:00 PM   #22
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For audio recording, I'd be a little worried about the GPU fans being noisy...

I ended up trading GPUs with my brother for our church studio computer, because the one he got was really noisy, and mine was fanless. But with fanless, you can't count on getting anything very powerful...
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Oh, cool . It's a desktop monitor. Wow. I've always wanted to make my own computer .
It's a rewarding and fun hobby. I started into that whole deal when I was your age, and I never stopped learning (basically, there's a lot to it).

The best place to find parts and stuff would be second-hand stores or friends who are upgrading systems. Have fun with it, dude.



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Unread 04-21-2015, 05:50 PM   #24
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For audio recording, I'd be a little worried about the GPU fans being noisy...

I ended up trading GPUs with my brother for our church studio computer, because the one he got was really noisy, and mine was fanless. But with fanless, you can't count on getting anything very powerful...
It differs from card to card. I have a 660 that I've had for about a year now. It has two really big fans and even when gaming it's reasonably quiet (this is with a side off sitting reasonably close to it too). The only times it's been a problem is dust (and the other fans will get noisy then anyway) or when I've been gaming on 40C (100F) days.

But that said, if audio editing, general quietness and reduced heat/power is what you're after, a 960 might not be the most necessary component to add. :P
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Yeah that's true. I mean, if you can get something similar speed (or faster) with more cores at not much more of a price difference, you may as well.

The only thing that's hard to screw up with what you're doing is the Intel heatsink and CPU (bend the pins on the board and you need a new board). Not that it happens very often, but I always hate dealing with them.

Everything else looks good, so the only problems you'll have is either underestimating your PSU requirements or somehow damaging a component when putting it in.

Wired is obviously more reliable where better. But if you're not too fussy, even low end Logitech and Microsoft wireless stuff is okay.
With the work I've done on laptops, I know enough to be gentle and careful. Though here's a question that's boggling my mind: is thermal compound necessary in desktops as it is with laptops? I'm assuming it is, as it's designed to transfer heat from the CPU into the heat sink.

I'll probably go with wireless, simply for the reason that when I'm working, I will want the computer to be as far away from my mics as possible.

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For audio recording, I'd be a little worried about the GPU fans being noisy...

I ended up trading GPUs with my brother for our church studio computer, because the one he got was really noisy, and mine was fanless. But with fanless, you can't count on getting anything very powerful...
I want something decent, as I plan to (eventually) run a dual (or more) monitor setup, and also need something for doing video editing with. The case should help some, but I know I'm going to have to do some isolation of the physical tower as well.

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But that said, if audio editing, general quietness and reduced heat/power is what you're after, a 960 might not be the most necessary component to add. :P
I'm not too keen on video cards. That was also a recommendation. I may go with something lesser, but I need to be able to run multiple monitors smoothly and do some video editing with Premiere.
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With the work I've done on laptops, I know enough to be gentle and careful. Though here's a question that's boggling my mind: is thermal compound necessary in desktops as it is with laptops? I'm assuming it is, as it's designed to transfer heat from the CPU into the heat sink.
It is necessary, but there is always enough included on stock heatsinks that you don't need any extra.

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For the record, any card will work for that. Most low end ones have HDMI and DVI out these days and generally support high resolutions.

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and also need something for doing video editing with. The case should help some, but I know I'm going to have to do some isolation of the physical tower as well.

I'm not too keen on video cards. That was also a recommendation. I may go with something lesser, but I need to be able to run multiple monitors smoothly and do some video editing with Premiere.
Yeah if it's for video editing purposes and not gaming, then you can probably afford to dial it back a bit. Also bearing in mind that the 960 will probably be way cheaper with some redesigns by the time you get around to building this.
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This article is leading me to seriously consider a six-core CPU and different motherboard, and splitting that 2TB 5400RPM drive into two 1.5TB 7200RPM drives for smoother streaming.

EDIT: Replaced the 2TB drive with a pair of 7200RPM 1TB WD Black drives. A bit noisier but worth it for the performance boost.
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Tbh, the biggest thing for noise will likely be your case, as ventilation can drastically change how much your fans need to run, plus just the acoustics of the case itself, not sure how much you've looked into that.
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Tbh, the biggest thing for noise will likely be your case, as ventilation can drastically change how much your fans need to run, plus just the acoustics of the case itself, not sure how much you've looked into that.
This is the case I have picked out.

Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case (FD-CA-DEF-R4-BL) - PCPartPicker

EDIT: If I do upgrade to a 6-core CPU (since Pro Tools would benefit greatly from it), I'll need to place more focus on cooling and look at a physical setup in which the computer tower itself is physically removed from the room in which I'll be recording (or isolated in a soundproof box, but then there's a potential heat problem). If that ends up happening, I may end up going with a more cooling-friendly case. I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
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Alright, so after some research (if you can believe I found time to piddle with this in the midst of academics), I decided to ditch the quad-core Xeon E3 for the 6-core i7-5820K. Upgraded the motherboard to an Asus X99-A with USB 3.1 (might as well stay with the times, by the time I do the build). Still looking at 16GB RAM as being the only really necessary amount.

EDIT: DDR4 RAM (what my mobo is compatible with) is super expensive. As far as I read, there's no realistic difference in performance between 2400-3000, so I went with the 2400.

EDIT: Decided to add dual optical drives for CD burning.

EDIT: A suggested PSU (650W) upgrade has been made, but if I later find out I can safely get away with a 550W, I'll downgrade again.

EDIT: I'm contemplating whether I want my 240-250GB system drive to be a regular SATA 3 SSD (6.0Gb/sec) or if I want to run a M.2 SSD (up to 32Gb/sec). I can't decide. The board supports either.
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