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Unread 03-03-2015, 10:54 AM   #1
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Political Philosophy and Community

Hobbes typifies what Rousseau characterises as he who seems to think mere "aggregation" leads to "association". Because the basis of Hobbes political philosophy is fear, and because his view toward humanity is one of incessant, natural conflict, one finds that community isnt actualizable.

Rousseau investigates the possibilities of a civic religion and seems to see it as key to uniting a nation into community. This is an interesting idea, for sure.

What I wonder is if this is, within political philosophy, realizable, or even if we note it within contemporary nation-states.

Community, of course, is the sticking issue. And, what Rousseau means by " civic religion" isn't the veiled religious sentiments we notice in portions of the American population. It is something more concrete and ritualised, it seems to me.

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I really wish I knew what you were talking about so I could participate.

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You sound kind of snobby when you just start talking about philosophers and their theories that people might not be familiar with. This is a subforum of a guitar message board, give us a synopsis of their positions so we can respond.
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You sound kind of snobby when you just start talking about philosophers and their theories that people might not be familiar with. This is a subforum of a guitar message board, give us a synopsis of their positions so we can respond.
To be fair...it is in the Philosophy section.

To me...it's no more snobby than gear heads talking shop or musicians discussing advanced theory.

Or me...talking about Electric Light Orchestra.
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To be fair...it is in the Philosophy section.

To me...it's no more snobby than gear heads talking shop or musicians discussing advanced theory.

Or me...talking about Electric Light Orchestra.
It reminds me so much of this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVeCGNv1zRM

But anyways, I'd like to discuss it but as I am not as well read as Thrash, and don't have the time to go out and read up on the theories of two political philosophers, a short synopsis would be very conducive to discussion.

And being as the philosophy subforum is frequented by very few people... you see where I'm going with this, right?
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You sound kind of snobby when you just start talking about philosophers and their theories that people might not be familiar with. This is a subforum of a guitar message board, give us a synopsis of their positions so we can respond.
Yeah, uh, whoa.

Firstly, as Leboman said this is a philosophy subsection within the Academic section on a guitar message board. Secondly, there are quite a few people on here, or used to be, who would have a semblance of an ides of what is being discussed. Thirdly, if they or others don't know then there is Google.

I could make the same argument about any subsection on the forum if people were starting threads that were complicated within a certain portion of human thought and experience.

If this is too deep, complicated, or snobby, then you definitely don't have to participate.
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I really wish I knew what you were talking about so I could participate.

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Let me get back to you. On my phone .

I do think issues of "community" are important for us ministers, and also issues of "civic religion", which we all seem a bit uncomfortable with.
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It reminds me so much of this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVeCGNv1zRM

But anyways, I'd like to discuss it but as I am not as well read as Thrash, and don't have the time to go out and read up on the theories of two political philosophers, a short synopsis would be very conducive to discussion.

And being as the philosophy subforum is frequented by very few people... you see where I'm going with this, right?
By calling him snobby...no...I actually don't see where you're going with it.

I responded (letting him know that I had no clue) by asking for some suggested reading.

I don't participate in a lot of threads because I don't know what is being discussed. Those that do interest me...well...I take the time to read up to where I at least have a semblance of a clue.
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Let me get back to you. On my phone .

I do think issues of "community" are important for us ministers, and also issues of "civic religion", which we all seem a bit uncomfortable with.
I struggle with just how much a role "civic religion" should play (if any) within the boundaries of my personal ministry and how to foster true community with those who may disagree with me.
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Actually, Ax, I am sorry.

I do think you are right that things should be more inclusive, especially on a stagnate site.

Let me do a follow up post and explain things a bit more.
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Actually, Ax, I am sorry.

I do think you are right that things should be more inclusive, especially on a stagnate site.

Let me do a follow up post and explain things a bit more.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to come off as a d-bag, even though I did, what I meant to say was simply that the tone of the thread when you just start off by saying something like "Neitzche says Confucious' position on the role of the father in the family is blah blah blah" it just sounds like you're trying to sound intellectual and it disparages people from participating in the conversation.

Sorry about the tone (that I wasn't actually trying for) of that first post. But mostly, I just feel like a brief summary of the position of the first philosopher would be sufficient as you're already summarizing the second.
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Yeah, I wasn't trying to come off as a d-bag, even though I did, what I meant to say was simply that the tone of the thread when you just start off by saying something like "Neitzche says Confucious' position on the role of the father in the family is blah blah blah" it just sounds like you're trying to sound intellectual and it disparages people from participating in the conversation.

Sorry about the tone (that I wasn't actually trying for) of that first post. But mostly, I just feel like a brief summary of the position of the first philosopher would be sufficient as you're already summarizing the second.
Yeah, I definitely get that the tone is a little snobbish after re-reading it.
At the time, the issue hit me while reading, so I was writing without treating it like I should have. Should have made it much more descriptive and open to others.

Honestly. I realize in hindsight that using almost solely the app has made my posts way different. I always feel like I wrote more than I did, and I also don't correct posts because it is harder in the app...

Hmmm... I maybe try to spend more time in the actual site. May make it easier for me to share with others.

And, don't worry about your tone. At first I took a being a little d-baggy, but when I re-read I realized you didn't really mean it to sound that way.

Thanks again for the suggestions and comments man!
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After Googling some terms I have this question to ask:

Does the concept of "contractualism" play into this? I am currently reading an essay I found online that attempts to address the idea (as defined by T.M. Scanlon of Harvard).

Or...am I reading the wrong stuff?
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