[thrice_denied]

Im not entirely 100% sure on this but I think the main thing is the people who 'own' the artists. Such as Vineyard, Brentwood-Benson, and all who basically run a lot of the christian music scene that are making a deal about this. Personally, I believe these companies are starting to get a bad rep because of stuff like this. Like I know that CCM had some bad publicity. I dont know all about that one though so it could be a completely different deal there but oh well. I tried. But this web site isnt the only place on earth that these companies are being...lets say...unchristian to. Ive seen effects in real life areas myself. And when these companies get a bad rep like that, there is a good chance that their artists might suffer because of what these companies are doing to people about the artists music. But maybe the artists being written would be a great idea. Who knows if they know that the effect of their company they work for is being this ridiculous. I understand what Brent is saying, I have never printed out tabs or chords or bass to a song that I have either heard only once or never heard at all but heard it was a good song. Most of them are songs that I have bought the albums they are on.

I think that christian writers should be more willing to let go of their songs. Making it harder for people to find (and therefore play) music doesn't make much sense if they're really doing it for God.

that is exactly what im saying. being ridiculous and (dare I say) ignorant about this is making them look seriously bad. but hey, its their skin. Im very optimistic that things will eventually turn out good somehow. But I think somewhere (i dont know which forum) someone should start a thread about getting a petition together or something because just sitting around talking on a message board probably wont let them know anything. But most importantly (not that im against this but...) I think it should be something put together by the visitors and the members and regulars of the site to get this together and send it. Because I think that if they listen to people at all, they would more likely listen (with hopes they will care...but im still optimistic) to a lot of people who pay their salaries than just a few people that are being christian and nice about informing christians who are eager to play for the Lord about their music.

Thanks,

[Phil]

Question though...

Can I get rid of stuff like: "This song means so much to me..." blah blah blah???

Brent.... Mickey??

[Mickey]

It depends. If you're simply modifying their tab, then leave it in. However, if you notice that two of the tabs for a given song are virtually identical, then combine them into one song, remove the "fluff", and simply say something like:
"Originally tabbed by Joe Smith and Steve Jones" or whatever.

That seems to be the fairest way to do it - agree?

IHL,
Mickey

[FeebleGenius]

I just saw some evil things while removing lyrics - some people used an "e" to dentote the big E string and an "E" to denote the little E string! Even worse - someone wrote the chords (/tab) upside-down without labelling the strings to indicate this! Aaaa. :kshock:

[Phil]

Originally posted by Mickey
It depends. If you're simply modifying their tab, then leave it in. However, if you notice that two of the tabs for a given song are virtually identical, then combine them into one song, remove the "fluff", and simply say something like:
"Originally tabbed by Joe Smith and Steve Jones" or whatever.

That seems to be the fairest way to do it - agree?

IHL,
Mickey

Okay, and how do you get rid of a duplicate song?

[Mickey]

Okay, and how do you get rid of a duplicate song?

Tell me the artist, song title, and song ID number (in the address bar of your broswer) and I'll take care of it.

ok what i mean is....if u know how to play A7 and it sounds right to you but it dont sound rght in the song, you got a prob. with the lyrics, you know where it is supposed to be and so it will be easier to figure out the mistake

[josiah]

Well, since no one has volunteered for it, I will attempt to make a dent in the Five Iron Frenzy Tabs.

[.torrin.]

i think that by not having at least the first line of a chorus or bridge, it can confuse people and make the song harder to figure out. A lot of songs dno't have preset "chorus" or "verse" and the person trying to figure it out may only have the lyrics to know when to play a certain riff. So if just a little line of the lyrics could be on the tab, then that would help out a lot.

BTW, the project 86 tabs have all been de-lyriced

[Phil]

Originally posted by josiah
Well, since no one has volunteered for it, I will attempt to make a dent in the Five Iron Frenzy Tabs.

Wooohoooo Josiah is helping!!!

I knew ya would

[Mickey]

Originally posted by XsplitbAckX
i think that by not having at least the first line of a chorus or bridge, it can confuse people and make the song harder to figure out. A lot of songs dno't have preset "chorus" or "verse" and the person trying to figure it out may only have the lyrics to know when to play a certain riff. So if just a little line of the lyrics could be on the tab, then that would help out a lot.

BTW, the project 86 tabs have all been de-lyriced

I agree 100%, but we simply can't do it. We want this to be cut-and-dried, so there can be no reasonable argument from Brentwood, Integrity, Vineyard or anyone else that this isn't completely legal.

Maybe once OLGA or someone eventually goes to court we'll have a bit more flexibility, but for now I want to keep things simple and clean.

Thanks again to everyone for all of your help.

IHL,
Mickey

[Brent]

Originally posted by Phil
Wooohoooo Josiah is helping!!!

I knew ya would

No, Josiah is not helping when he doesn't follow directions... I've gotten no e-mail from him saying he will help, so he's not helping until then because I can't send him directions until then... Soo....

Josiah: There's your hint.


Additionally, to comment further on what Mickey said:
There cannot be and probably won't ever be ANY lyrics on ANY of the tabs now. This includes one word starting each line, a word corresponding with chord changes, or any other form of 'help' that is mentioned again and again in here. The fact is that we can't post lyrics with the tabs in any shape or form...in part or in whole. If you want lyrics with the tabs then go buy the tab books available at your Christian bookstores....that's what the labels and artists would like anyway. What's that? You say you don't want to pay for a whole book or you don't have the money for the books? Well stop complaining then! The old phrase "Beggars can't be choosers" comes to mind. You take what you're given and make the most of it. All of us have these message boards and all of these tabs available to us for FREE...NADA...ZILCH...and it costs Mickey upwards of $500 a month or more just to provide this FREE service for all of us. My suggestion is to stop complaining and start appreciating what we have. I don't mean disguising your complaint as a compliment, either... "I love what we have at this awesome site, but..." Sugar coating a complaint still leaves a complaint. So anyway, that's my rant for today.

well ifr we cant have lyrics then byy bye christianguitar.ws

[josiah]

Originally posted by Brent
No, Josiah is not helping when he doesn't follow directions... I've gotten no e-mail from him saying he will help, so he's not helping until then because I can't send him directions until then... Soo....

Josiah: There's your hint.

Ummmm...sorry, procrastination hit.

[Brent]

I'm sorry that you have that attitude about it. Feel free to come back anytime. ::waves::