Official Lyric-Removal Thread

Mickey · 03-23-2002, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by acoustic87
Would it be against the law if we made a separite site with just lyrics?

As Brent said - yes. That's the whole problem.

You could post the lyrics to Integrity songs for $20/each/year, or Vineyard songs for $30/each/year. With Brentwood songs you simply can't do it - it's not legal, and they don't have a licensing plan. For the others, I have no idea. Whether they pursued it or not would be up to them, but posting the lyrics would still be illegal unless you have a license to do it.

It'd be kinda like running a red light in a small town late at night - no one would give you a ticket, it wouldn't hurt anyone, but it would still be wrong...

thrice_denied · 03-23-2002, 10:43 PM

already there are huge web sites that have many many lyrics whether they have a copyright or not. Lyricx.com is one that I visit ever so often, even though you have to join(which is free), it still displays many lyrics. This could very well solve the 'alternative lyric site' that has been arisen in another post. But I completely understand this copyright thing. Not to long ago I found out that even churches had to have liscenses to do things like solo's and even sometimes like printing out brochures and stuff. In my own personal idea I do not agree with many of these companies being stingy with their artists work. If these companies really are working for the Lord, they wouldnt mind but actually encourage the use of their artists songs to aid along in fellow christians worship and praise to the very one they claim to work for. You know what Im saying? All of this lyrics stuff makes me wonder if these companies are really doing their artists justice by using the songs to make money, rather than glorify God. Because I know that Third Day and all its members would never just make songs for money, but to glorify God. I personally would like to submit the idea of getting people together and writing a petition or a note just because I want to know what their patern of thinking is. But I honestly believe that if everyone that has ever helped, or worked, or even had anything to do with what CGR is today (including its many visitors) do everything with a pure motive and in as christianly manner as possible (though I know how hard it is), God will see everything through. If this made any sense, or helped, let me know.

Thanks,

Brent · 03-24-2002, 08:10 AM

Honestly, the ONLY thing I could see us being allowed to do with regards to lyrics is posting a link to each artists' official website on their tab page here. Saying something like "You can find Third Day's lyrics and more information at www.thirdday.com ." Since that is their *official* (read: record company sponsored) website I would say that's the only form of lyric 'posting' that we could do. Links to other sites that are breaking laws would not solve anything, so I think this is the only way anything similar to that idea would work.

Phil · 03-24-2002, 11:05 AM

I think that is a great idea... and not only that, couldn't we link to the *exact song* at the bottom of the chords to the right website (that is legal)

Like for Third Day's "Come Together", have the Chords and then have "Go to http://www.thirdday.com/ct/lyric_come_together.htm for the lyrics to this song" at the bottom of the page

03-24-2002, 11:54 AM

i think taht we should be able to see it in chord

i hate having to read tab

i think that the freedoms of this land are being violated. i mean, just because they dont like us doesn't mean they have to have a cow. it is our God-given right to be able to play music, and we should not have to resort to learning complex tab or having to guess if our chords are right.

even having heard songs some peeps cant play without the proper chord/lyrics sync

Jesus is Lord

Brent · 03-24-2002, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Phil
I think that is a great idea... and not only that, couldn't we link to the *exact song* at the bottom of the chords to the right website (that is legal)

Like for Third Day's "Come Together", have the Chords and then have "Go to http://www.thirdday.com/ct/lyric_come_together.htm for the lyrics to this song" at the bottom of the page

I dunno... I think just a link to the artists' website would be plenty and less likely to cause a stir. Linking directly to the lyrics for that song on the artists' page is a bit shady to me....especially for the particular example you listed where it was supposed to come up in a frame but you linked directly to it. That way, nowhere does it say anything about Third Day on the page, no links to the rest of the site, no link to the STORE (after all, the labels are in it for the money now)... Linking just to www.thirdday.com would be a bit more appropriate in my eyes.

Phil · 03-24-2002, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Unregistered
i think taht we should be able to see it in chord

i hate having to read tab

i think that the freedoms of this land are being violated. i mean, just because they dont like us doesn't mean they have to have a cow. it is our God-given right to be able to play music, and we should not have to resort to learning complex tab or having to guess if our chords are right.

even having heard songs some peeps cant play without the proper chord/lyrics sync

Jesus is Lord

The title of this thread is "Lyric-Removal", not "Chord-Removal". You won't have to learn tab to see the songs that have chords right now, you just won't see the lyrics with the chords in a song.

Phil · 03-24-2002, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by Brent
I dunno... I think just a link to the artists' website would be plenty and less likely to cause a stir. Linking directly to the lyrics for that song on the artists' page is a bit shady to me....especially for the particular example you listed where it was supposed to come up in a frame but you linked directly to it. That way, nowhere does it say anything about Third Day on the page, no links to the rest of the site, no link to the STORE (after all, the labels are in it for the money now)... Linking just to www.thirdday.com would be a bit more appropriate in my eyes.

True... maybe both... like:

Go to http://www.thirdday.com for information about Third Day, and buy their music
Go to http://www.thirdday.com/ct/lyric_come_together.htm to get the lyrics for this song.

I completely understand what your saying, Brent, but I'm just trying to think of something we could do that would make it a little easier for people... I mean... most of those sites you have to click several times before you can access the actual lyrics, and if we could give a direct link to the lyrics, as well as the main site (in a popup window or something), that would be helpful.

Brent · 03-24-2002, 03:51 PM

I still think a link to the site would be plenty. We've been serving them tabs with lyrics all in one place on a silver platter for so long now that people are too lazy to find them on their own... Let them go to the artist's site and look around to find the lyrics. People are too lazy as it is if you ask me....half the time people request songs around here that are either in the archives already or have been requested (and provided) many times already ("I Can Only Imagine" by MercyMe comes to mind...). If they aren't willing to work to play God's music then they probably aren't putting all they can into it anyway....but that's a whole other can of worms...

Phil · 03-24-2002, 07:11 PM

I've just been signed up, and things seem to work fine...

Question though...

Can I get rid of stuff like: "This song means so much to me..." blah blah blah???

03-24-2002, 07:44 PM

if u take away the lyrics, it is just as bad as taking away the chords.

i mean, you have to be a pro guitarist to play without the lyrics

us newbs and ametuers dont know what notes like A7 and Gsus3
sound like.

Phil · 03-24-2002, 07:48 PM

What? How does having a word there help you know how to play A7 or what it sounds like? You aren't making sense...

03-24-2002, 07:59 PM

I dunno...
I am a beginning payer looking for different songs to play. I can't easily read tab, but I can do the chords. It's tough when the chords and lyrics aren't posted together, because if I can't see which chords go with which lyrics then it's easy to get lost.

I think that christian writers should be more willing to let go of their songs. Making it harder for people to find (and therefore play) music doesn't make much sense if they're really doing it for God.

...But maybe it's just me...

Brent · 03-24-2002, 08:47 PM

To me this is rather obvious, but maybe you're just missing something... I rather doubt that you are going to be trying to play songs that you don't know or have never heard....or songs that you don't have the audio available to you in some form... So what's hard about playing along with the song so you can hear when the chords change.

Switchfeets · 03-24-2002, 09:08 PM

My guitar teacher talks about this all the time, its really a bummer that the record companys are so uh...like this. They make songs books, but half the time they aren't even near right, then they won't let a bunch of kids play the stuff if they can help it. Its just really sad...I definitly agree that the artists themselves should be written...