Official Lyric-Removal Thread

Phil · 03-20-2002, 05:27 AM

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Originally posted by Brent
It has been brought to my attention that someone (other than Charlie) has been editing tabs in the Steven Curtis Chapman section. This is a reminder (as it said in the e-mail I've sent all who have signed up) that you are to edit tabs ONLY in the section assigned to you. Leave the other tabs to the person(s) assigned to them or to the people who will eventually be assigned to them. Charlie is the ONLY person who should be editing tabs in that section. This is the best organized way to do it and we don't want anyone messing that up. On top of them being out of their assigned section, the tabs were edited quite poorly as well. Whomever is responsible took out the words and left the chords in a jumbled mess right where they were left after deleting the words. PLEASE *stick to the format* shown in Mickey's first post in this thread and we will have everything uniform.

I was under the assumption that there was security so that you *couldn't* edit any other artist. (It wasn't me.) Can you make it that way... it is probably safest, Mickey?

Mickey · 03-20-2002, 06:07 AM

I was going to do it like that, but I figured this would work.

We'll give it a few more days and see what happens. If there are more problems, then I'll retool the scripts to only allow people to access their given section(s).

IHL,
Mickey

nate95366 · 03-20-2002, 05:30 PM

I've gone into Wes King and done a couple of songs, but my computer/internet connection/something goes wrong every time. It's like the connection times out or something.

Either way, when I'm done with the modifications and I click "Submit," I am not directed to another page. So far, I've just let it linger and try and try for 5 minutes, and then I hit the "Stop" button on my browser and hope for the best. My record with that is about 50/50, which means half the time I've made changes that aren't able to be submitted.

Oh, yeah, and after the above happens, my internet connection is suddenly and seemingly useless, like I can't get any other pages to load. Is it my browser? My computer? My slow dialup connection?......:kconf: :kconf: :kconf:

Nate

Phil · 03-20-2002, 08:03 PM

Probably slow dialup modem if it's lots of pages. Get cable or DSL. If it's just CGR timing out.. then try getting on when it isn't as crowded (still haven't got the new server yet)

thrice_denied · 03-21-2002, 02:39 PM

So its alright to go ahead and request an artist or group if we do not know all of their songs? Because I have gotten help from this web site on as many as 200 songs but most of them are from different artists. With the exception of Third Day. Which by the way, if you are cleared to put them back on the site, would you need any help with those songs? To be completely truthful, I downloaded all the Third Day and most Jars of Clay songs with the words and have played through quite a bit of them.

Thanks,

Mickey · 03-21-2002, 06:01 PM

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So its alright to go ahead and request an artist or group if we do not know all of their songs? Because I have gotten help from this web site on as many as 200 songs but most of them are from different artists.

Absolutely. I'm sure there are songs on here that NO ONE knows.

As long as you can tell what the chorus is, what the verses are, etc, that's fine. We've got a LOT of songs to do (5,000 or so), so we can't be too picky.

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To be completely truthful, I downloaded all the Third Day and most Jars of Clay songs with the words and have played through quite a bit of them.

When (if) we get the point of adding those songs back onto the site, I'll probably need a lot of help. Keep an eye out for that announcement in the future.

IHL,
Mickey

thrice_denied · 03-22-2002, 05:08 PM

I believe it was mickey who said to make sure that the chords and tabs were correct and not all wacked out. I was wondering if we should include those songs that the person who sent it in said that it isnt exactly like it but it is easier or it sounds just as good. Also I have found a couple songs already that have the wrong chords or wrongly named chords as well as a little bit of a tab might be wrong. I was wondering if it was ok to go ahead and correct this if I know for a fact that the chords are different. This came up while I was going through some of the Audio Adrenaline songs. I have an Audio Adrenaline sanctioned book displaying several songs in the style and way that the group themselves used on the recordings. I was wondering if you would rather me correct this, rather me not, or just to leave it up to my choosing. I know mickey said that cgr couldnt be too picky but it wouldnt take any more time or energy to change this than not to. Just wondering what the thoughts are on this.

Thanks,

Jc · 03-22-2002, 10:11 PM

I'm not Mick, but I'd think it be best not to tamper with the cords in the way of changing them, cause the cords to the songs are the personal interpratation of the poster. Now if the song is just totally wrong then tell Mick to delete it, but if its wrong cord names or different cords that work anyway, I wouldn't bother them. But thats just me.......

thrice_denied · 03-23-2002, 12:44 AM

no problem. will do

Thanks,

03-23-2002, 01:32 PM

dont be like olga.net

they put the first word of each line then put each note above incisible space

(just like your trying to do)

other wise we can never ply the songs right

also, we should get some websites to host the lyrics

http://www.warriors4jah.com -has POD lyrics
http://ardent-enthusiast.com/home.shtml- has DC talk lyrics

anyhoo

keep lyrics or shut down pretty much

thrice_denied · 03-23-2002, 01:59 PM

I know that this may not be my right to say anything here so the mod or admin. can just delete this if seen fit.
I personally support this in ways but in ways i just dont get it myself. I personally think it is just a little rude to say keep the lyrics or shut down pretty much. I understand that they have to in order to keep this going. I personally see no difference between the inability to copyright chord progressions but copyright the words to the song when all it is is a sort of word progression if you will. But I do understand the song in its entirety itself. but that is beyond the point. I see that this web site is very different from olga.net while I am an avide user of both web sites. olga does confuse you because it keeps a couple words of each line and messed up spacing. But here, the job is to remove all lyrics so we arent 'straddling the fence' so to speak. I know it seems like it isnt fair to have to remove the lyrics but I have seen some of the new wordless versions of some songs and have played them with some of the recordings. Although I have found some (even the songs I am editing) dont quite go along with the song, I can understand it very well. So I personally see nothing wrong with it. And I do support every decision Mickey and the rest of the CGR staff makes, they are serving God in ways that I couldnt and actually help me serve God through my fellowship with members of the board and music through their archive. I know I have gone of the immediate subject here, and this post can be deleted if deemed neccesary.

Thanks,

acoustic · 03-23-2002, 02:07 PM

Would it be against the law if we made a separite site with just lyrics?

Brent · 03-23-2002, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by acoustic87
Would it be against the law if we made a separite site with just lyrics?

That's exactly right. ...which is why I'm ignoring Unregistered's comments.

03-23-2002, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Brent
That's exactly right. ...which is why I'm ignoring Unregistered's comments.

ahhhh HAHAH

is that why?

i think that record companys (like the ones in the napster case) are so stupid. Who would care if some one got the lyrics? u usually get em when you buy the disc...some one could type up the lyrics, return the disc with the orginal lyrics, and sell the copies he made.

anyhoo, could some one explain y the rec companies care if peeps have their lyrics?

does anybody know of a prog that u can copy-paste Tab into and it will read it and tell you what note so u can play the songs?

finnaly would it be legal to (some one suggested this i think)put the note above each lyric in the song taht it changes on?

D
hands

A
feet

Em
Go

G
go

hands and feet chorus

http://www.newsboys.com has their lyrics

Mickey · 03-23-2002, 08:51 PM

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anyhoo, could some one explain y the rec companies care if peeps have their lyrics?

Brentwood explained this quite well to me, although now their being rude about it. Very simply, copyright law doesn't allow you to selectively protect your rights, and we are violating copyright by posting the lyrics. Whether they "care" or not, it's a written law - they own the copyrights to the lyrics of those songs.

The problem comes up if someone starts posting the full songs (as MP3s or whatever). If Brentwood went after them, but hadn't gone after us for our "violation", then they'd possibly lose in court. That is obviously not something they can afford to risk.

Chord progressions cannot be copywritten. I've researched enough to know that. Brentwood still doesn't agree, but they're simply wrong. Time will prove it right, at which point we'll have the lyrics removed and life will be good - I hope.

At the same time, like I said above, posting the lyrics to a song is a copyright violation. Period. As a Christian site, I think we should be following the laws of the land. Time to fix it.

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finnaly would it be legal to (some one suggested this i think)put the note above each lyric in the song taht it changes on?

Possibly, yes. However, that gets into "fair use" and other grey areas of copyright law, and I don't want to mess with that. If we remove the lyrics, we're clean. Period.

IHL,
Mickey