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Unread 07-26-2013, 09:19 PM   #1
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96P01B20130726

The question really is, though, should we hold our elected leaders to certain moral standards? Should the mayor be *forced* to resign? This has come up again, for example in the case or mayoral candidate in New York Anthony Weiner, or the current campaign of former NY governor Eliot Spitzer. Should elected officials be obligated to resign for immorality?

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Unread 07-26-2013, 09:31 PM   #2
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The question really is, though, should we hold our elected leaders to certain moral standards? Should the mayor be *forced* to resign? This has come up again, for example in the case or mayoral candidate in New York Anthony Weiner, or the current campaign of former NY governor Eliot Spitzer. Should elected officials be obligated to resign for immorality?
In my opinion, absolutely yes.
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Yes, he should, not cause of a "moral issue" but because he broke the law

Moral issues are far to opinionated to be a reason to let someone go, laws are not
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We have an MLA who was caught in a prostitution sting in Minnesota. He has been charged and appears in court on Sep 30. But he has refused to resign from his position so far.

MLA Mike Allen says he won

Ridiculous.
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We have an MLA who was caught in a prostitution sting in Minnesota. He has been charged and appears in court on Sep 30. But he has refused to resign from his position so far.

MLA Mike Allen says he won

Ridiculous.
Your link makes it seem FAR worse then it is

"He thinks he won!?!?!?" was my first repsonse
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If we forced elected leaders to resign for general immorality, our government would collapse.

In the case of Filner, there is an assumption that spending time in rehab, the lawsuit, etc. are all things that are going to distract from the business of running the government, which is why he should resign. Most people I've talked to around here want him to resign and think the case against him is going to end up with his removal, whether by "choice" or recall.
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If we forced elected leaders to resign for general immorality, our government would collapse.

In the case of Filner, there is an assumption that spending time in rehab, the lawsuit, etc. are all things that are going to distract from the business of running the government, which is why he should resign. Most people I've talked to around here want him to resign and think the case against him is going to end up with his removal, whether by "choice" or recall.
And there is the matter of the public trust.
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Your link makes it seem FAR worse then it is

"He thinks he won!?!?!?" was my first repsonse
I'm not sure where the "he thinks he won" part came from. But what about the link makes this a stretch?

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If we forced elected leaders to resign for general immorality, our government would collapse.

In the case of Filner, there is an assumption that spending time in rehab, the lawsuit, etc. are all things that are going to distract from the business of running the government, which is why he should resign. Most people I've talked to around here want him to resign and think the case against him is going to end up with his removal, whether by "choice" or recall.
For general immorality: agreed. I read an article on CNN regarding Wieners decision to still run in the election, and sexting. It basically said that perhaps people will be ok with him since 30% of Americans (or something close according to the survey) have sexted. So obviously if the majority of Americans, or a sizable chunk, are doing "immoral" things, then why wouldn't we suspect the same percent of elected leaders are doing the same thing. Or perhaps the realm of immoral changes slightly over time.

For specific immoral acts: yes they should be forced to resign. Prostitution is unlawful, so if an elected representative is caught soliciting one, he is breaking the law. He shouldn't be able to keep his post as a lawmaker if he can't even follow the ones on the books already. For addictions: they may not be specifically illegal, but they could break the employment aspect of the elected position. As thesteve alluded to, if someone is to busy or preoccupied with addictions or the rehab afterward, they may not be able to perform the duties required of the paid employment position, and should resign (or be fired).
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Unread 07-27-2013, 12:22 AM   #10
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MLA Mike Allen says he won
it means says he wont resign but the link makes it seem him saying "ha I won"
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it means says he wont resign but the link makes it seem him saying "ha I won"
Oh I see it. lol
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While I agree that "morality" can be subjective I'm not sure I think "integrity" is subjective. So while we might argue about weather extramarital affairs are "moral" I don't thin there's any argument to be had that promising to be faithful and then breaking that promise shows a lack of integrity. I guess what I'm saying is that maybe we're focusing on the wrong thing.

*edit* I'm so sick of hearing about Anthony Weiner and the like.
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If every immoral politician resigned, there would be no more politicians.


It's like asking.... "Should a professional athlete resign for being wealthy?"
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If every immoral politician resigned, there would be no more politicians.


It's like asking.... "Should a professional athlete resign for being wealthy?"
That's true, but shouldn't there still be a point along the sliding scale of morality where we say enough is enough?
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That's true, but shouldn't there still be a point along the sliding scale of morality where we say enough is enough?
No, there are many that see nothing worn with prostitution, morality is far to "complex" to let any one thing decide it, go by laws instead.


And how is this any worse?he paid for sex? mohmy gosh!

how many of these guys have done worse, america is the only country i know where killing is "meh" but sexual things?? AHHH
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