Go Back   Christian Guitar Forum > Hobbies & Entertainment > Automotive
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read

Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 05-17-2012, 10:19 AM   #1
Ax
Rabid Wombat
 
Ax's Avatar
 

Joined: Nov 2004
Location: Swinging Bachelor Pad
Posts: 16,501
Soon to be in the market.

As soon as my wife finds a decent paying job I'm entering the pre-owned market. I'm looking for something relatively recent (around 2010 or so) that's going to be reliable, somewhat fuel efficient, and not make me look like a grandmother or soccer mom.

IOW, NO HONDAS OR TOYOTAS!

Suggestions?

__________________


AXimus AXamillion AXington
First of his name, moderator of the guitars and other instruments forums, changer of journal titles, haver of long titular epithets.


Current Rig:
Guitars: The NightShade, Fender Big Block Toronado, Fender Marauder, Fender Strat, Rogue ST-4
Pedals: Dunlop Crybaby -> SBN Soviet Power Booster -> SBN Modded Ibanez TS7 Tube Screamer -> SBN Discombobulamodulator -> Modded EHX Nano Small Clone -> Korg Pitchblack Tuner.
Amps: EVH 5150 III 50 Watt, Vox Night Train 15 Watt
Cabs: Late 80s Peavey 412-MS Sheffield 1290.

Public Blog

Ax is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Unread 05-17-2012, 10:30 AM   #2
DANGER ZONE!
 
Reno Rattler's Avatar
 

Joined: Nov 2002
Location: Reno 911.
Posts: 10,071
Send a message via AIM to Reno Rattler Send a message via MSN to Reno Rattler
Camry.
__________________
MOLON LABE
Reno Rattler is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 10:33 AM   #3
...
Administrator
 
thesteve's Avatar
 

Joined: Apr 2001
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 30,106
Send a message via AIM to thesteve
FWIW I don't know too many soccer moms (and definitely not grandmas) driving Honda or Toyota sedans.

That being said, what are you looking for in terms of vehicle size/shape etc. My gut response (until your last comment) would've been Civic or Corolla. If you need more cargo space, I know a few musicians driving Scion xBs (I think thats the larger model).
__________________
We've all got ideas. We are the music makers. We make money to buy things, and write down words.

I'm a podcaster
thesteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 10:43 AM   #4
Honeymoonin'
 
redbaron's Avatar
 

Joined: Dec 2001
Location: Bremerton, wa
Posts: 5,042
Send a message via AIM to redbaron
civic, focus, etc. You should be more specific about your needs.
__________________
-andrew
{insert witty signature}
-->check out my user title!<-- (Oh BTW CLICK ON THAT RED STUFF )
redbaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 10:43 AM   #5
Ax
Rabid Wombat
 
Ax's Avatar
 

Joined: Nov 2004
Location: Swinging Bachelor Pad
Posts: 16,501
I'm looking for a sedan of some sort. Something that looks somewhat sporty...

Here's my beef with all the cars you listed: they have no personality. They're boring. I want something that looks like the designer put some thought into it rather than churning out another non-descript Japanese car.

I've also thought about getting an SUV... I'm not exactly thrilled about the prospects of them (I like to sit as low to the ground as possible and hug turns), but I'm thinking about buying a kayak and the racks would be nice.

I don't need a lot of cargo space, Steph has an Avalon with plenty of trunk space and room for people. And I'm not playing in bands anymore so I don't care about moving equipment.
__________________


AXimus AXamillion AXington
First of his name, moderator of the guitars and other instruments forums, changer of journal titles, haver of long titular epithets.


Current Rig:
Guitars: The NightShade, Fender Big Block Toronado, Fender Marauder, Fender Strat, Rogue ST-4
Pedals: Dunlop Crybaby -> SBN Soviet Power Booster -> SBN Modded Ibanez TS7 Tube Screamer -> SBN Discombobulamodulator -> Modded EHX Nano Small Clone -> Korg Pitchblack Tuner.
Amps: EVH 5150 III 50 Watt, Vox Night Train 15 Watt
Cabs: Late 80s Peavey 412-MS Sheffield 1290.

Public Blog

Ax is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 10:44 AM   #6
Registered User
 
Bushman's Avatar
 

Joined: Jun 2010
Location: Seaside, Oregon
Posts: 614
Ford Fusion.
I have a 2006 that I bought new and I'm thinking of getting another.
It's the 4 cylinder, I thought it wouldn't have any poop, but it goes like any other V6 I've had.
Gets about 32 mpg, nice and roomy, leather seats are awesome. I have had zero problems with it.
What a great car!
Bushman is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 10:45 AM   #7
Ax
Rabid Wombat
 
Ax's Avatar
 

Joined: Nov 2004
Location: Swinging Bachelor Pad
Posts: 16,501
Oh, and I like to perform all the maintenance I can so something that's not gonna take two hours to change a belt would be nice.
__________________


AXimus AXamillion AXington
First of his name, moderator of the guitars and other instruments forums, changer of journal titles, haver of long titular epithets.


Current Rig:
Guitars: The NightShade, Fender Big Block Toronado, Fender Marauder, Fender Strat, Rogue ST-4
Pedals: Dunlop Crybaby -> SBN Soviet Power Booster -> SBN Modded Ibanez TS7 Tube Screamer -> SBN Discombobulamodulator -> Modded EHX Nano Small Clone -> Korg Pitchblack Tuner.
Amps: EVH 5150 III 50 Watt, Vox Night Train 15 Watt
Cabs: Late 80s Peavey 412-MS Sheffield 1290.

Public Blog

Ax is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 10:54 AM   #8
...
Administrator
 
thesteve's Avatar
 

Joined: Apr 2001
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 30,106
Send a message via AIM to thesteve
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ax
Oh, and I like to perform all the maintenance I can so something that's not gonna take two hours to change a belt would be nice.
I don't know how many new cars actually DIY this description. Haha
__________________
We've all got ideas. We are the music makers. We make money to buy things, and write down words.

I'm a podcaster
thesteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 11:02 AM   #9
Ax
Rabid Wombat
 
Ax's Avatar
 

Joined: Nov 2004
Location: Swinging Bachelor Pad
Posts: 16,501
Quote:
Originally Posted by thesteve View Post
I don't know how many new cars actually DIY this description. Haha
They all can't be that bad for maintenance... I hate my Pontiac... You have to jack the engine and then disconnect an engine mount to put a belt on. Not only that but the tensioner is in a spot that's nearly impossible to get to. I don't want anything like that.
__________________


AXimus AXamillion AXington
First of his name, moderator of the guitars and other instruments forums, changer of journal titles, haver of long titular epithets.


Current Rig:
Guitars: The NightShade, Fender Big Block Toronado, Fender Marauder, Fender Strat, Rogue ST-4
Pedals: Dunlop Crybaby -> SBN Soviet Power Booster -> SBN Modded Ibanez TS7 Tube Screamer -> SBN Discombobulamodulator -> Modded EHX Nano Small Clone -> Korg Pitchblack Tuner.
Amps: EVH 5150 III 50 Watt, Vox Night Train 15 Watt
Cabs: Late 80s Peavey 412-MS Sheffield 1290.

Public Blog

Ax is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 11:18 AM   #10
Deets Go Here
 
bravesfan007's Avatar
 

Joined: Jul 2002
Location: Right Behind You
Posts: 14,089
Any particular price point you are trying to hit?
__________________
If you are offended by most posts, please do not feel alone. I am an equal opportunity offender. I will offend everyone.

Follow my ramblings.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainer.
Your mother appears to have been infected by Kentl.
bravesfan007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 11:19 AM   #11
recovering user
 

Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,434
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ax View Post
I'm looking for a sedan of some sort. Something that looks somewhat sporty...

Here's my beef with all the cars you listed: they have no personality. They're boring. I want something that looks like the designer put some thought into it rather than churning out another non-descript Japanese car.

I've also thought about getting an SUV... I'm not exactly thrilled about the prospects of them (I like to sit as low to the ground as possible and hug turns), but I'm thinking about buying a kayak and the racks would be nice.

I don't need a lot of cargo space, Steph has an Avalon with plenty of trunk space and room for people. And I'm not playing in bands anymore so I don't care about moving equipment.
This post is right in my bloody wheelhouse. See my post below:




Disclaimer: This post is based on opinion. Opinion that is in my opinion, correct.



I just bought a car for a reasonable price that is reliable, somewhat fuel efficient, is comfortable, has oodles of soul, and has absolutely mammoth aftermarket/enthusiast support. Excellent build quality as well. You likely won't like how old it is, though. Insurance is cheap. Safety is good. It's practical. Visibility is fantastic. It's above average in the performance department.

You have to decide if you want a car to drive, or if you want a box that will most closely replicate the act of sitting on your couch with your laptop, phone, and a plate of food. If you're looking for the former, the following is for you.

Recent cars suck. Bad. Screw mobile appliances, to find a car worth buying for a reasonable price you have to go back a few years. With your request for no Honda or Toyota products, it seems you're looking for something a little different, or at least interesting. What's your budget?

Start by throwing out FWD. It's poison to interesting cars. It can take the most noble of engineering and design efforts, and make in instantly not worth buying. The second thing to do is limit your choices to those vehicles that have manual transmissions. Automatics are for whiny girly-men who don't get the idea of being in harmony with the machine. The third thing to do is addition by subtraction. Start throwing things out. Smaller is better, lighter is best. Nothing kills an interesting car faster than weight. I'd list things to avoid, but listing things that are acceptable is much easier: Power locks, windows, steering, and brakes. Air conditioning. That's about all. Maybe anti-lock brakes. Traction/stability/acronym control is pointless and usually does more harm than good. A sun/moon/star/whatever-roof is okay if it's unavoidable. If your car has a touchscreen, or can be talked to (and listen), that's a big red flag. Don't fall into the technology trap. Simple is good. Technology =/= a good machine.

Finally, avoid 'trendy' items. Cars like any of the Scion things, anything called 'cube,' or 'soul,' or 'cruiser,' or whatever. In 10 years, people will (and should be) embarrassed to drive them. They will have been replaced by the new trend that everyone 'must' have. Avoid cars that are designed for no purpose other than being able to fit cartoon-huge aftermarket wheels. (Chrysler 300C and others, both Chrysler and otherwise.)

Buy a car with numbers in the name. A good, solid, manly, timeless name. E30 325iS. There's a good name. It means something. E30 is the chassis code, 3 denotes the series of car, 25 defines engine size... a 2.5 liter. The iS suffix shows the presence of a sport package that actually includes things that should be in a sport package. A limited slip differential, and different spring rates. If they have to name the car 'Soul,' it's because it doesn't have any.

Look for a car with real performance parts that haven't been added by a 19-year-old's trip to Auto Zone. Things like overhead cams, limited slip diff, and variable valve timing.

If you've bought a car that will be as good in 10-15 years as it is now, you've bought a good car.


If you're dead set on a newer car, maybe look for a Miata or MX-5 or whatever they're calling it now. That's about as good as it gets for new cars. The experience to be had in the rest of them is similar to sitting in your microwave on a conveyor belt.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ax View Post
They all can't be that bad for maintenance... I hate my Pontiac... You have to jack the engine and then disconnect an engine mount to put a belt on. Not only that but the tensioner is in a spot that's nearly impossible to get to. I don't want anything like that.
To do this, you'll have to go a few years older. It's not a bad thing. It's a great thing. Embrace it. Feel the awesomeness. New cars are like new smart phones. People buy them just to show other people they can. Older cars are like gold bullion.

Edit: By old, I don't mean like 1960's old. I understand a frame-off resto is out of the question. I mean older than about 7-8 years. There were still remnants of great car design as recent as 2006.
mulletman is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 11:31 AM   #12
Registered User
 
jthomas1600's Avatar
 

Joined: Mar 2008
Location: In the great state of Texas
Posts: 4,801
You're looking for a sedan but don't want to be one of the masses? I've been somewhat interested in Volvo's lately. I think I remember that Art bought one about a year ago and was at least initially impressed.
jthomas1600 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 12:04 PM   #13
Art
Superfly.
Administrator
 
Art's Avatar
 

Joined: May 2002
Location: Northern California
Posts: 41,570
paid
I love my Volvo. I also totally disagree with Ben on a lot of his points. The Volkswagen GTI kills the "FWD = Bad" complaint. A lot of safety components are what make cars heavier, and as someone who deals with accident scenes on a regular basis, those safety options are saving a lot of lives and a lot of injuries. Some (Very few) automatic transmissions are pretty advanced, and make for a better driver experience than their manual counterpart.

That said, I would need to know a lot more about what you want and how much you are looking to spend to make any recommendation.
__________________
Flickr.
Art is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 12:12 PM   #14
recovering user
 

Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,434
Quote:
Originally Posted by Art View Post
I love my Volvo. I also totally disagree with Ben on a lot of his points.
I disagree! I think we agree on many of the points, to an extent. We'd have to quantify them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Art View Post
The Volkswagen GTI kills the "FWD = Bad" complaint.
This I do disagree with. No it doesn't. Even if it did, name one more. The physics of FWD are crippling. Even if you can manage to design out some of the flaws and mask the root problem... it's still there. Push hard enough and you will find it. Especially with a car that has any kind of power/torque, which the GTI does. More than many, anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Art View Post
A lot of safety components are what make cars heavier, and as someone who deals with accident scenes on a regular basis, those safety options are saving a lot of lives and a lot of injuries.
Also agreed. In no way did I want to imply that safety features are bad. Weight is bad. The two are not mutually exclusive. If the manufacturer cares enough, they can save weight in other places.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Art View Post
Some (Very few) automatic transmissions are pretty advanced, and make for a better driver experience than their manual counterpart.
Also agreed! The problem with these, are that the cars that actually have 'good' automatic transmissions are generally prohibitively expensive.
mulletman is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-17-2012, 12:15 PM   #15
Art
Superfly.
Administrator
 
Art's Avatar
 

Joined: May 2002
Location: Northern California
Posts: 41,570
paid
Quote:
Originally Posted by mulletman View Post
I disagree! I think we agree on many of the points, to an extent. We'd have to quantify them.



This I do disagree with. No it doesn't. Even if it did, name one more. The physics of FWD are crippling. Even if you can manage to design out some of the flaws and mask the root problem... it's still there. Push hard enough and you will find it.



Also agreed. In no way did I want to imply that safety features are bad. Weight is bad. The two are not mutually exclusive. If the manufacturer cares enough, they can save weight in other places.



Also agreed! The problem with these, are that the cars that actually have 'good' automatic transmissions are generally prohibitively expensive.
Well, way to kill my arguments, Ben.

I know that the primary issue with FWD is understeer, and I do know how dangerous it can be. My first car was FWD, and every car since has been AWD (which also has the understeer problem). I guess I just don't see it to me as much of a problem. I learn the limitations of my car, and I don't deal with understeer.
__________________
Flickr.
Art is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:35 AM.


Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2