[Gustin]

Originally Posted by penguinofwar

Could you explain exactly how this works further?

Because torrenting has no central server or point of download, by default, you are typically set up to both "leach" (download) and "seed" (upload). This is necessary to keep the files available long after the initial uploader, and continue providing them fairly high speed.

As corporate mentioned you can typically set the software to only "leach", but by default it will both download and upload.

[gracioushelper]

All right, I'm going to play the bad guy because no one else has. I'm not going to not hijack this thread, so if you have personal stuff you want to get at with me after reading my post, then please create a new thread or PM or whatever.

I've ran into this situation before, in fact on brand new CDs, right out of the case, where your CD burner is a crappy one, or whatever. So, what do I do? I ask myself "Am I really going to listen to this whole CD, or am I just after one or two songs?" I'll use this example--the Jars of Clay cd "If I left the Zoo". I downloaded in off the pirate bay. Yeah, I downloaded it. Let that sink in.
Now why wouldn't I just go click on buy in the iTunes store or Amazon store or other online store? Well, years ago, when tapes were popular, I bought the cassette. No, I didn't go buy it on CD after I got a CD player because the only Christian bookstore (and only store that carries actual music) decided to call it quits. So, there's still Hastings, but they don't sell Christian music anymore (they have enough WWJD shirts to go around though), Best Buy (same as Hastings, only really loud because of stereos turned up way too loud), Target (nope, they don't have it), Wal-Mart (I refuse to support Wal-mart, and they wouldn't have it anyway), and a couple of used music stores (I come from one of those towns where people treat stuff like junk and try to sell it when it doesn't work anymore).
After reading all that, and knowing I bought the darn tape years ago, I went on the pirate bay and downloaded it. And you know something? I remembered the one song I liked, and it's still the only song I liked off the album. "You could've bought it on iTunes you thief!" someones's going to cry. Well, I think Jars of Clay are doing well off don't you? I mean, they haven't announced that they're going to stop recording due to thieves and pirates have they?
I just wonder why you would suggest to the OP to re-buy the music he's already paid for? That's like paying your income tax twice for one year.
The Bible says to pay the government what is the government's, and you already did by buying the album in a store (online or offline), and the government got it's payment. So, go ahead and do it. I doubt Kevin Max really cares, and Toby Mac has his thing going on as well. The only one might care is Michael Tait, but he's with the Newsboys as well, so they're not going to starve over a couple of songs.

[gracioushelper]

If you're an ex-pirate, and you're trying to stay away from downloading stuff illegally, then by all means, rebuy the album. It's better to have a heavenly blessing than a worldly curse.

[SupaNova]

You bought the cassette. You legally own a copy of the intellectual property. Therefore, you're entitled to make a backup for yourself and didn't do anything wrong when you downloaded it.

Like with the OP's situation, there's nothing wrong with you obtaining another copy of the music you already own. The problem is the nature of torrenting, and who else may be leeching off your download. Or who (like the RIAA) is watching.

[gracioushelper]

I've been torrenting since before Suprnova got took down the first time. I don't torrent in huge amounts, and usually end up buying the stuff if I like it.
But it kills me to buy new stuff, like the original Star Trek series from the 60s. Brand new, Paramount/CBS wants close to $80 for one season. That's ridiculous.

[DaGeek]

Originally Posted by gracioushelper

I've been torrenting since before Suprnova got took down the first time. I don't torrent in huge amounts, and usually end up buying the stuff if I like it.
But it kills me to buy new stuff, like the original Star Trek series from the 60s. Brand new, Paramount/CBS wants close to $80 for one season. That's ridiculous.

The problem with this line of thought is that it's massively inconsistent:

"Don't torrent unless you don't want to pay what's being charged by whomever the owner happens to be."

Morally, what's the difference? If you own the property already, that's one thing. If you don't own it at all, that's another entirely.

[gracioushelper]

Yeah, that's the price that comes with torrents. What you got isn't enough, so instead of filling yourself with the Holy Spirit, you fill yourself with junk, and I'mot meaning non-Christian stuff, I'm meaning everything, since everything is going to fall to dust that's of this world.