[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by blssdfl1

I'm not making up nonsense. For I do not make music to idolize anyone or anything but i play music God. If it was inspired by God then go for it, if not then it's your call.

Yes you are, and legalistic nonsense at that.

Nowhere in scripture does it say that all music must be written about God. A song about a car, or an island's beauty or indeed raw pain and agony can be inspired by the world God created. However, the song is not Christian. A Christian is a little Christ in meaning or in more typical usage a follower of Christ.

Bach wrote instrumentals solely for the glory of God in the tagline.

You are creating a false dichotomy though. What you do is either righteous or sinful. Feeling inspired by nature might inspire a song about a place. Nothing is wrong with that. I could write a love song to my wife. Plenty is right with that! I am told to love her and the love of a husband and wife is celebrated but it does not mention God.

There is even a book of the Bible that never once mentions God. If God saw fit to have holy men write a book like that (Esther) why would we have uninspired, (in the God-breathed sense) people held to a higher standard.

By what right do we claim a standard scripture never says, never hints at, and does not even meet.

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Kentl

I dont think your wrong but... not 100% right, if he is making it up who to stop form sayign YOU are making this up?

I am saying this is not in scripture. It is quite easy to show how I would be countered. Justify the position by scripture. Problem is, you will not be able to because it is not in there.

so there is not a Christian bible, Christian church, Christian God?

Sort of, but only because those are misuses that have become common enough. The Bible is properly called the Bible or Holy Bible. The Christian church works, but only because the Christian church is composed of people. Even so, the proper term is church universal, to refer to the entire body of believers. God has names. "The Christian God" is not one of them he uses. Yahweh, Jesus are preferable.

Are you not doing the same by saying that Christian is defined only as pepole and pepole alone?

Yes

Where anywhere dose it say that Christian can only be a human?

Christian means little Christs. Acts 11:26 records the time people were referred to that way. Music, cannot follow Christ. Music is a thing without a will of it's own. Thus you can't create a category that applies to the state of a person's soul and apply it to music, the effect of another person. Simple fact is, it is impossible to know whether someone is doing it for the glory of God or themselves.
Music cannot accept Christ and imitate him with it's life, thus it is pointless to try to draw lines around music and ,make tidy boxes. And what is the point? We as believers interact with the redeemed and the unredeemed. Creating a ghetto of "christian" music within the church community is a bad idea anyway.

I know a band, some of the members are believers, some are not. They are not known for their faith publically. They cuss sometimes in their music. They are very active in AA, NA, homeless ministries and supporting the church and most of their themes are very compatible with the Christian faith. I would classify most of their music as righteous in the sense that there is no blame to be found with it before God from all I can tell.

I know of the reverse too.

I know bands that walk the line and choose to stay on the secular side that are very solid believers writing of biblical truth.

[Thrash]

Wait. So abstract realities, like musical notes, can't have personal wills, and therefore cannot be Christians, right? So that means the same with numbers? Dangit! I always thought two was a Christian ... and nine told me he loved Jesus. What up with that??

[Rocking CR15]

What I would do is look up the lyrics that the band is playing, if it is relating to the bible at all, or if it is relating to life about how to solve those problems, then it is okay, other than that, NOT A CHRISTIAN BAND!!!!

[Thrash]

Originally Posted by Rocking CR15

What I would do is look up the lyrics that the band is playing, if it is relating to the bible at all, or if it is relating to life about how to solve those problems, then it is okay, other than that, NOT A CHRISTIAN BAND!!!!

So Avenged Sevenfold is a Christian band? I mean, hey, they have used some biblical imagery in the past ...

In short, I think your criteria fails.

[rock_show_host]

Originally Posted by Rocking CR15

What I would do is look up the lyrics that the band is playing, if it is relating to the bible at all, or if it is relating to life about how to solve those problems, then it is okay, other than that, NOT A CHRISTIAN BAND!!!!

Jesus
Help me find my proper place
Help me in my weakness
Cause I'm falling out of grace/

^Those are the lyrics to a song by Lou Reed of the Velvet Underground. Based on your standards (and probably most Christian bookstores' standards), they sound like lyrics to a Christian song by a Christian artist. But there's no evidence that Lou Reed is a Christian or at all religious -- he's actually famous for writing offensive songs that ruffle people's feathers.

Now look up the lyrics to a song called Mirrors and Smoke by Jars of Clay (I can't post the full lyrics here, and you need to read them to get the effect). It's a song about how hard and painful romantic love is. Not a single reference to God, Jesus or the Bible, and the overall tone of the song is pretty cynical (they've jokingly described it as a "realistic love song"). Again, based on your definition, this song -- written by one of the most popular and well-respected Christian artists of the last 17 years -- would probably not meet the criteria for what makes "Christian" music.

[Kentl]

Come on guys, its simple, a christain band is a band who more often then not has words that fit God, and no just cause Ax7 mettions some bible things dose not mean it fits God

and to simplefy it christain bands do not need to have every song about God

If I put out an abulm with 8 christain songs out of 12 I'm a christain band for that abulm, and yes just like real christains a christian band can chnage ofrm and to one

Edit: make it clear, I'm saying thats what HE not me is saying

[rock_show_host]

Let me just say that from a logistical standpoint, I understand why people like having the Christian label -- it makes it easier for certain bands to find their target audience. But we really need to stop trying to attach spiritual significance to a label whose only real purpose is to dictate which bookstores will carry a band's CD's.

[Thrash]

Originally Posted by rock_show_host

Let me just say that from a logistical standpoint, I understand why people like having the Christian label -- it makes it easier for certain bands to find their target audience. But we really need to stop trying to attach spiritual significance to a label whose only real purpose is to dictate which bookstores will carry a band's CD's.

Yeah. True that. We have to realize that labels are out to make money (and Tooth and Nail are no exception... ) and one great way of doing so is to appeal to the particularity of Christians. Find a niche and market to it to make money. We can't leave that aspect out, because its a reality.

[rock_show_host]

Originally Posted by Thrash

Yeah. True that. We have to realize that labels are out to make money (and Tooth and Nail are no exception... ) and one great way of doing so is to appeal to the particularity of Christians. Find a niche and market to it to make money. We can't leave that aspect out, because its a reality.

And honestly, there's nothing wrong with that. Music is a business, and it's how many Christians earn their living. But musicians who get paid by Tooth & Nail aren't any holier than musicians who get paid by Columbia Records.