[rock_show_host]

We'll know they're desperate if Huntsman becomes the new frontrunner.

[Dwight Schrute]

my in-laws, who are very very very much into politics, have been saying all along Newt is the man to beat. I'm lazy in that my opinion is "wake me up in November". I don't see any of them as being that much different in terms of policy once they get the party nomination. it will most likely be cookie cutter right wing politics as usual, versus left wing politics as usual down to the home stretch. they will be told what to say, and say it to get the vote.

[Plexi8759]

Originally Posted by rock_show_host

We'll know they're desperate if Huntsman becomes the new frontrunner.

Lol!!! Desperate indeed!!! I like huntsman though it seems were looking in general for the perfect candidate and cycling through the options only to find out none are it.

Until the doubt of these unfounded and suspect allegations I think herman cain had a real chance. I used to listen to Cain a lot on an American Family Radio politics show and I must say though he's not the quote unquote political insider he definitely knows his stuff in a real anti politics sort of common sense way. As much as a person can see spiritual fruit in a person by listening to a radio show he seems also to be a devoted follower of Jesus and I remember when he was in prayer and asking for prayer on whether or not to run for president. For him to do as well as he did in my oppinion was a miracle. He's not the perfect candidate particularly on foreign policy in terms of experience but council is high on his priority which I think is proper and biblical and I'd rather have a commander and chief that seeks wise council and makes a prayerful final decision.

I must say if the allegations were to be proven I would have no faith in Cain as a presidential candidate but as I see it a real publication with any journalistic standard would have laughed in the face of any "anonymous" sources and this would never have been brought up. One thing is for sure ... There are people that are deathly afraid of herman's success and if anything this has made me like him more.

[rock_show_host]

I would actually be thrilled if Huntsman got the nomination. Earlier in the year, I would have said that was wishful thinking, but with all the American Idol melodrama going on the GOP race right now, who knows? He's probably the most sensible and diplomatic one of the bunch and I could definitely see myself voting for him. But my money's still on Romney.

Originally Posted by Plexi8759

One thing is for sure ... There are people that are deathly afraid of herman's success and if anything this has made me like him more.

If by "afraid of his success," you mean "disturbed by the fact that a man with absolutely no political experience and a pattern of making extremely insensitive and ignorant remarks is being taken seriously as a candidate for President of the United States," then yeah, I'd say I'm a little afraid of his success.

[Plexi8759]

Considering the state of our nation I'd have to say I'm more afraid of political experience of those who are pretty slick at telling U's what they think we want to hear. I honestly would prefer any one of them to Obama but in the case of Cain I'm simply saying he's getting a raw deal.

[rock_show_host]

I'm also getting really sick of hearing Cain throw around religious language to bolster his political agenda. So far, he's 1) described his decision to run by comparing himself to Moses, 2) defended his 9-9-9 plan by saying, "If 10% is good enough for God, then 9% should be good enough for America", and 3) described Jesus as "the perfect conservative" and used His parables as an argument against government programs. It's shameless and manipulative, and I'm saddened that it often seems to work.

[rock_show_host]

Originally Posted by Plexi8759

Considering the state of our nation I'd have to say I'm more afraid of political experience of those who are pretty slick at telling U's what they think we want to hear. I honestly would prefer any one of them to Obama but in the case of Cain I'm simply saying he's getting a raw deal.

Hearing a Presidential candidate mock foreign policy issues by joking about "Ubeki-beki-beki-stan-stan" is just disgraceful. I think he deserves every bit of flack he's gotten.

[Role Modlin]

Unless the candidate's last name is Paul...I most likely won't be voting at all next year.

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by S.B.Nichols

Newt is the anti-Romney this month.

I would vote for Newt if we were talking about that girl from Aliens.

[Ted Logan]

Originally Posted by rock_show_host

I'm also getting really sick of hearing Cain throw around religious language to bolster his political agenda. So far, he's 1) described his decision to run by comparing himself to Moses, 2) defended his 9-9-9 plan by saying, "If 10% is good enough for God, then 9% should be good enough for America", and 3) described Jesus as "the perfect conservative" and used His parables as an argument against government programs. It's shameless and manipulative, and I'm saddened that it often seems to work.

If that really sticks in your craw, all you have to do is start a grass roots organization arguing that he murdered his brother, Herman Abel. Then attribute the whole thing to Romney and Huntsman, because it was once a widespread (but never canonized) belief among Mormons that the mark of Cain was darkness of skin. Thereby, you eliminate two frontrunners and a wannabe, and guarantee the nom to Newt.

And then all you have to do is point out that Newt would gain the most by planting these ideas, since it takes out Romney, and you've torpedoed Newt.

Ron Paul thus gets the nom, Lee is happy, and when people finally trace it all back to you, you can blame it on him, since he's saying right here in this thread that he's not voting for anybody but Paul.

[Role Modlin]

Originally Posted by Ted Logan

If that really sticks in your craw, all you have to do is start a grass roots organization arguing that he murdered his brother, Herman Abel. Then attribute the whole thing to Romney and Huntsman, because it was once a widespread (but never canonized) belief among Mormons that the mark of Cain was darkness of skin. Thereby, you eliminate two frontrunners and a wannabe, and guarantee the nom to Newt.

And then all you have to do is point out that Newt would gain the most by planting these ideas, since it takes out Romney, and you've torpedoed Newt.

Ron Paul thus gets the nom, Lee is happy, and when people finally trace it all back to you, you can blame it on him, since he's saying right here in this thread that he's not voting for anybody but Paul.

I am the Role Modlin...and I endorse this post.

[Plexi8759]

Originally Posted by rock_show_host

Hearing a Presidential candidate mock foreign policy issues by joking about "Ubeki-beki-beki-stan-stan" is just disgraceful. I think he deserves every bit of flack he's gotten.

There are plenty of men out there that trash their own name but no one deserves to have it trashed by someone else If it cant be proven.

We should personally disqualify candidates in our own mind based on their policies as RSH points out concerning cains foreign policy and not based on this unsubstantiated media circus. I'm not gonna let some liberal media outlet tell me which conservative I (as a non republican conservative) should support. I am also not gonna let a string of 10 sec sound bites be my only source of policy identification for candidates positions.

[rock_show_host]

Honestly, my disdain for Cain as a politician has nothing to do with these harassment and infidelity claims. It has everything to do with his positions (or lack thereof) and his tactlessness. And my views are based on more than just "a string of 10 second sound bites." I've seen and read numerous interviews with him and I've watched every single Republican debate. I don't need the liberal media to tell me how I should feel about Herman Cain -- I've disliked him from the first interview of his I ever read. Which, incidentally, was done by a conservative Christian magazine.

[TheProdigalModern]

Originally Posted by Plexi8759

I must say if the allegations were to be proven I would have no faith in Cain as a presidential candidate but as I see it a real publication with any journalistic standard would have laughed in the face of any "anonymous" sources and this would never have been brought up.

As a newsman, just a point of clarification:

In most news organizations, an anonymous source is someone who does not speak on the record for fear of personal scandal or reprisal against them (for example, the ubiquitous "White House source"), not someone who calls you up and gives you information but does not give their name. No one in their right mind would accept that with this country's generous libel laws (and certainly not in Europe, where you can go to jail for libel). A shady source can be accepted if they are able to provide you with information that can be verified by another, more serious source (e.g. the National Restaurant Association). Failing to do so can have serious, serious consequences -- see Dan Rather's career.

In the Cain case, that information WAS verified.

As for Cain's initial accuser, I think that fear of going public was well-founded. Conservative news-entertainment outlets started digging up every unpleasant happening in the women who went public's lives.

One thing is for sure ... There are people that are deathly afraid of herman's success and if anything this has made me like him more.

Yeah, I was terrified at the thought of the man as President, and not just because I am a liberal.