Lincoln Navigator

**bobthecockroach** · 06-13-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WafflesAndSyrup

I'm not sure if this was sarcasm or not, but most new cars really are ugly, in my opinion.

It was completely serious.

gtrdave · 06-13-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

It was completely serious.

What's your idea of an attractive car?

**bobthecockroach** · 06-13-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gtrdave

What's your idea of an attractive car?

New cars are practically indistinguishable except in details. See: Auto Swatch - New-car research that doesn't suck.

I think classic cars are mostly cool looking.

That said, I'm not a fan of cars from a financial, social or environmental standpoint, so my perspective is obviously skewed.

I'm also a very patient driver, which means I deal with drivers that I consider recklessly impatient on almost a daily basis, so it's hard to like their cars.

normajean777 · 06-13-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Trucks are usually just as ugly. And so are most cars for that matter.

I guess you haven't seen a dodge ram lately. Or any pimped out trucks ( which describes like half the trucks round my neck of the woods).

***Art*** · 06-13-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by normajean777

I guess you haven't seen a dodge ram lately. Or any pimped out trucks ( which describes like half the trucks round my neck of the woods).

Or he has different tastes than you. I think "pimped out" trucks look pretty much idiotic.

**mulletman** · 06-14-2011, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by normajean777

I guess you haven't seen a dodge ram lately. Or any pimped out trucks ( which describes like half the trucks round my neck of the woods).

??

Trucks are just...... big. They aren't beautiful, the don't have any sort of creative or unique or interesting design. For all practical purposes, trucks are created of squares. That's it. To 'pimp' out a truck is like tying ribbons around the handle of a shovel. To fit expensive aftermarket parts is to destroy the utility (usefulness) of a truck.

There are certainly new-production cars that look stunning.... it's just not really the norm. Like I've said before, modern cars have turned into appliances. For the most part, they lack any sort of soul. To compare vintage car styling to modern is like comparing Miles Davis to the Jonas Brothers.

To save this idiotic post, here are some examples of beautiful cars:

Lamborghini Muira:

Austin Healey 3000:

Alfa Romeo GTA:

2.8 RSR:

Like I said, there are modern cars that are beautiful, but in a different way. Personally... I find these beautiful:

FXX:

DBS:

And a couple of bikes for good measure:

1198SP:

MV Agusta F4:

**bobthecockroach** · 06-14-2011, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Bear

Or he has different tastes than you. I think "pimped out" trucks look pretty much idiotic.

Pimped out trucks are without question the stupidest, ugliest and most obnoxious vehicles on Earth.

gtrdave · 06-14-2011, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Pimped out trucks are without question the stupidest, ugliest and most obnoxious vehicles on Earth.

Agreed.

WafflesAndSyrup · 06-14-2011, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Pimped out trucks are without question the stupidest, ugliest and most obnoxious vehicles on Earth.

QFT. Why the heck would you pimp out a truck? It's made to be rough and rugged, function over form. You buy a pick-up for towing and hauling, not to trick it out like a west coast garage. Similarly, I also hate pimped out Jeeps, too. Buy a Hummer and do whatever you want, leave the Jeep to what it does (or did) best.

normajean777 · 06-14-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WafflesAndSyrup

QFT. Why the heck would you pimp out a truck? It's made to be rough and rugged, function over form. You buy a pick-up for towing and hauling, not to trick it out like a west coast garage. Similarly, I also hate pimped out Jeeps, too. Buy a Hummer and do whatever you want, leave the Jeep to what it does (or did) best.

Yes that is precisely why a lift is necessary (see pic). For tracking through the mud and such. The truck I drive most often is 2500 Silverado, long box, extended cab. Much more fun than my car, and much more practical. With my car I can't haul anything, with the truck, everything can be moved.

**Fandrew** · 06-14-2011, 04:54 PM

Trucks atleast gain the practical use of having a bed to carry tools or furniture. Trucks are meant for hauling a pulling, as someone said earlier. Some people do have practical applications for lifts and all terrain tires.

However, several pimped out trucks are ugly and impractical.

In short, trucks are tools, not toys. Usually.

***Art*** · 06-14-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by normajean777

Yes that is precisely why a lift is necessary (see pic). For tracking through the mud and such. The truck I drive most often is 2500 Silverado, long box, extended cab. Much more fun than my car, and much more practical. With my car I can't haul anything, with the truck, everything can be moved.

How much hauling do you do? I have had VERY few instances in the last year where a truck would have been useful personally.

gtrdave · 06-14-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by normajean777

Yes that is precisely why a lift is necessary (see pic). For tracking through the mud and such. The truck I drive most often is 2500 Silverado, long box, extended cab. Much more fun than my car, and much more practical. With my car I can't haul anything, with the truck, everything can be moved.

Are you in construction? Do you regularly tow a boat or a horse trailer? Maybe you have a lawn care business? Perhaps you live for the days when all of your friends ask you to help them move? Do you go "muddin'" often and/or do you have a snow plow mount on the front?
Other than those and maybe a few other reasons, I can't see anything practical about owning a truck.
15 mpg is not practical.
Excessive road noise is not practical.
5 point turns while trying to park is not practical.
I'm being serious here. Every time I think about getting a truck (and it's happened several times over my life) I list all of those things, realize that I do not fit any of those descriptions, and then nix the idea.

***Art*** · 06-14-2011, 08:28 PM

Incidentally, I'm not just truck bashing. I know several people who do tow on a regular basis.

**mulletman** · 06-15-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by normajean777

Yes that is precisely why a lift is necessary (see pic). For tracking through the mud and such. The truck I drive most often is 2500 Silverado, long box, extended cab. Much more fun than my car, and much more practical. With my car I can't haul anything, with the truck, everything can be moved.

See, this is funny.... I frequently see these trucks like the one in the picture you posted.... and I guarantee that no one is going to drive on anything other than pavement with those really expensive rims that look to be about 22's. Forget how much tires cost for a wheel that size, I don't even want to know. In short, the vast majority of the people who own trucks, never take them off road. Of the ones that do, they spend maybe 1% of their life there.

Also, you certainly don't need giant ground clearance to get through dirt and mud. Rally suspension is pure win.

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Are you in construction? Do you regularly tow a boat or a horse trailer? Maybe you have a lawn care business? Perhaps you live for the days when all of your friends ask you to help them move? Do you go "muddin'" often and/or do you have a snow plow mount on the front?
Other than those and maybe a few other reasons, I can't see anything practical about owning a truck.
15 mpg is not practical.
Excessive road noise is not practical.
5 point turns while trying to park is not practical.
I'm being serious here. Every time I think about getting a truck (and it's happened several times over my life) I list all of those things, realize that I do not fit any of those descriptions, and then nix the idea.

My "truck" (barely) is actually rather practical. All of the problems you list are only present with these so-called "full size" trucks. My vehicle is very much like a small car with a bed. In it's earlier days, it got me very near 30 mpg, and has an excellent turning radius. I can also haul a lot of stuff.... it came in very handy for moving several times when I was in college, and also for throwing a couple guitars, amps, and a 2x12 in. In fact, I'd argue that a big truck is actually less practical for hauling stuff than my little 'Yota, simply due to the issue of the height of the bed, which is worsened with a pointless lift....

Man, those hubcaps are awful, lol.