[Rainer.]

Originally Posted by Kentl

there are things you buy you cant sell

like programs on the computer

and I'm prtey sure i have CDs that say n

resale no alwoed

Programs for the computer are generally sold with an End User License Agreement (EULA) that contains the rules that the user must abide by before the software can be used. It contains information such as how many computers the software is licensed to be installed on, and any informations on the transfer of licenses from one end user to another.

The sale of music CDs has no such EULA requirement for the use of the music CD.

like i said i dont belive you should be able to make $$$ of of it after all
you did nothing to make it

what gives you the right to earn all the $$$ form it?

(you may sale buying it but i say no since the compony still has some of the rights)

No you're saying that you think the company should have some of the property rights to the CD. But in reality, the company does not retain any of the property rights to the physical disk. Which can be bought and sold for a price by the owner. People have rights to ownership of physical property, regardless of who made it.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by Rainer.

Programs for the computer are generally sold with an End User License Agreement (EULA) that contains the rules that the user must abide by before the software can be used. It contains information such as how many computers the software is licensed to be installed on, and any informations on the transfer of licenses from one end user to another.

The sale of music CDs has no such EULA requirement for the use of the music CD.




No you're saying that you think the company should have some of the property rights to the CD. But in reality, the company does not retain any of the property rights to the physical disk. Which can be bought and sold for a price by the owner. People have rights to ownership of physical property, regardless of who made it.

I never said they did not

I said i dont think they should


i belive its unethical to make money off of someones ahrd wrok with out paying them


the compony should not have rights to the CD

they should have rights to any $$$ you get form it (a precent of the cash)

to me if they dont is unethical

and that was the qurestion of the whole thread

was ethics

[Rainer.]

Originally Posted by Kentl

I never said they did not

I said i dont think they should


i belive its unethical to make money off of someones ahrd wrok with out paying them


the compony should not have rights to the CD

they should have rights to any $$$ you get form it (a precent of the cash)

to me if they dont is unethical

and that was the qurestion of the whole thread

was ethics

The problem is that you are denying property rights to owners.

I think it's unethical for the creator of something to claim ownership over a product that a consumer rightfully purchased the complete right to own.

[1/2-Fast Player]

Originally Posted by Kentl

i belive its unethical to make money off of someones ahrd wrok with out paying them

What you don't seem to grasp is that they have already been paid.

When you buy the CD, the artist has been paid whatever amount they agreed to sell it for. That's it; finis; consumatum est. From that point forward, you can sell the CD for your own gain or loss, give away the CD, chop the CD into little bits, or swallow it. It's yours. It no longer belongs to the artist.

Again, see Matthew 20:15 - "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own?"

You seem to have trouble understanding transfer of ownership. By your logic (?!), when I sell my house I should have to send money to the builder. Or maybe to whoever cut the lumber or sold the cement or mined the copper that was made into pipes.

[Fandrew]

Originally Posted by 1/2-Fast Player

What you don't seem to grasp is that they have already been paid.

When you buy the CD, the artist has been paid whatever amount they agreed to sell it for. That's it; finis; consumatum est. From that point forward, you can sell the CD for your own gain or loss, give away the CD, chop the CD into little bits, or swallow it. It's yours. It no longer belongs to the artist.

Again, see Matthew 20:15 - "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own?"

You seem to have trouble understanding transfer of ownership. By your logic (?!), when I sell my house I should have to send money to the builder. Or maybe to whoever cut the lumber or sold the cement or mined the copper that was made into pipes.

You own the cd, sure, but do you own the information on it?

[Cam42]

If you buy a bicycle do you own the technology used to build it?

[bobthecockroach]

Originally Posted by Kentl

Umm dude i never said other people belvied what i did


I believe its wrong (i wont sell)

much like someone who believes its wrong to eat animals

this has nothing to do with the seeler

i said i belive its wrong and that they should pay and your guys said no


my belife is they should yours is they should not

I'm not looking for an argument
so please stop saying "augment for entement" (incedently why bother auguring with me at all?)

I said why I belive its wrong

much like how a person who belies its wrong to eat a animal


funny thing about ethics

its not always
this is right this is wrong

ethics is an option


I dont exscept a law to be made about it (at least not yet)


maybe one day but I'm not holding my breath


but i wont do it

if you read my posts, and don't assume im just looking for an augment (every time we have a debate you make reference to it)
I'm not trying to say its against the law im saying to me its wrong

This is why I get frustrated talking to you. You said:

Originally Posted by Kentl

i dont belive "one payment is enough"
unless you and the person sprficly come to that agrment

So you said that if you have an agreement, it's ok to make just one payment. Then I tell you that you DO have an agreement, and you still say it's wrong. You're contradicting yourself. Is it ok to make only one payment if you have an agreement? If so, then 99% of the time, it's ok, because if you ask for the agreement, you will get it.

[1/2-Fast Player]

Originally Posted by Fandrew

You own the cd, sure, but do you own the information on it?

I do not own the copyright to the information on the CD. That's why I can't make copies to give away or to sell. I do, however, own the tangible media (i.e., the CD) and can do with it as I please.