[mulletman]

Originally Posted by Kentl

if i mae the atackj stance for that wepoen

Crahing at you?
heck yes

Well, I'm glad that our laws aren't subject to your opinions. It would be a scary world to live in, if we were all justified in killing each other when we had a hairbrained idea that someone was threatening us. Not a place I'd like to live, that's for sure.

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Cite your source that provided you with the info that the cops were in full tactical SWAT gear.

never said anythign about SWAT gear all i said was Garb

as in the uniform maybe buletproof vest
the shi9nny badge
the gun and the caop ect
one did have a shotgun (atleast)
as it says he was shoot by it

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

12 feet away? If you can't differentiate between a gun and a hose nozzle from 12 feet out, you're blind. I can cover 12 feet in two steps. I can read small print from 12 feet away. If they were indeed that close, then I call BS on the whole thing.

you mean a hose nozzle thats amde to look like a gun?
wonder why any one would confuse the two

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Shawn..... the point is that you need to make sure that you aren't 'making a mistake' before you take actions that will end the life of a human being.

show can you tell me what acitons they took?

they where there "long enough" is what the investoagtor says
how long is long enough?
five miuitns?
twelve seceonds?
three hours?
they dont say

do you know if they did or dfid not use binoculars to look at the gun?

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Binoculars used from a safe distance could have solved the problem of the cops not knowing what he had. From there, identifying themselves as police officers could have solved the problem of the person not obeying any commands they may or may not have made. (There are conflicting reports on whether or not they actually told him to drop the weapon.)

can you prove saying "we are the cops" stoepd it?
maybe suyre
but so could not them saying "hey lets dance"
you guys are doingt he samehting you are saying i am doing

i asumme that this guy will shot one of them
you asumme them saying "We all the cops" would have sotped it

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

From there..... you approach the guy and ask what he's up to.

The man had caused no trouble. They did not need to rush.

poitng a matialc object shaped like a gun is not trouble?

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

The point is that the police had plenty of opportunities to follow policy and do things right, before they shot an innocent and unarmed man. If this man were your family you'd be singing a different tune.

and if this guy had shoot the cops you would be singign a defrient tunes also

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

So yes, the police need to take responsibility for their incorrect actions, and the consequences of the catastrophic damage they caused. Just because they made a mistake, does not mean that everything is okay. At the very least, they should be charged with manslaughter.

where did i say evryehting is okay?
dont put words in my mouth

they protected thems elfs form a man who had a gun shap-ed thing in his hands that pointed at them

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Shawn, from your logic.... it's okay to fire upon someone, if you think they are armed and threatening you. So if I walked by your house, and you pointed at me, and I thought you had a gun.... am I justified in murdering you? The answer is no.

dose it look like a gun?
if so yes

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Like I said earlier...... my request is that the police do their job and contribute to public safety. If someone does not posses the decision making skills to be able to act calmly and with restraint in situations of potential danger, they have no business being a police officer.

a polices fociser first bussines is to get home to his wife and kids

if that had been a real gun
whaty woudl you sya?

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Mullet

Well, I'm glad that our laws aren't subject to your opinions. It would be a scary world to live in, if we were all justified in killing each other when we had a hairbrained idea that someone was threatening us. Not a place I'd like to live, that's for sure.

umm how is it hairbrained idea>?
its not like they just shoot

they watched him for some time

they looked at the object which he was holding with both hands
they where told it was a gun
it looks like a gun
when they go up to him he points it at them
if they did say drop the gun he did not

so what part of that is not a reasson to belive its a gun?

its not hair dbrianed
when someone points an pbjecyt at you

99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time si not going to be a wart nozzle

[Cam42]

Yeah, explain that to the dude's son. "Sorry I killed your dad. It was an accident".

[scared2mosh]

Originally Posted by scared2mosh

I think I see what's going on here... kentl. I think you have been raised to believe that the police/gov is always right and that they should be trusted. Is this correct? yes or no question.

Shawn... please

awnser the qurestion

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by Cam42

Yeah, explain that to the dude's son. "Sorry I killed your dad. It was an accident".

dude you acting like I'm saying everything is okay

its not


its reallly screwd up
but why even point the thing at the cops?


i know he was drunk but that was really dumb
maybe he thought it waas rela?
who knows
what ever reasson

this guy caused it way more then the cops did

[Kentl]

Originally Posted by scared2mosh

Shawn... please

awnser the qurestion

not even close

I bleive us dropping the nuke was wrong

i believe most presidents where wrong at one point or another

I belive that free health care was a good idea


i even will admit some cops where

wrong



was this wrong? yes
but i will not charge cops for shooting a guy who had a gun shaped nozzle made to look like a gun
when he pointed at them and they told him to put it down and eh did not

uoi guys are acintg like they went up to him and shoot him for no reasson
this si not the case

[scared2mosh]

Originally Posted by Kentl

not even close

I bleive us dropping the nuke was wrong

i believe most presidents where wrong at one point or another

I belive that free health care was a good idea


i even will admit some cops where

wrong



was this wrong? yes
but i will not charge cops for shooting a guy who had a gun shaped nozzle made to look like a gun
when he pointed at them and they told him to put it down and eh did not

uoi guys are acintg like they went up to him and shoot him for no reasson
this si not the case

I'm soooo glad you have no plans to become a judge or a lawyer

Stop making stuff up. The official report SAYS THEY DIDNT IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

honestly... I'm done arguing about this. You cant debate people if you make up your mind and refuse to change it regardless of the factual evidence.

[adamwagg]

I think we've reached the go around in circles stage which tends to then end in insults.

If we get further info in about the case (new news articles with actual new info) let me know and I'll reopen it or get a new thread.