Rhythm guitar effects question

**jamforchrist123** · 11-30-2010, 08:16 PM

It's just one of those "cheater" ways to get dotted 8th when I'm too lazy to switch setting

Hawk5 · 11-30-2010, 08:53 PM

Alright sweet thats what i needed to hear. thats what i had already heard but i needed some reassurance lol. i actually have a multi effect pedal now, and ive played with that on stage, but ill be honest im looking to up grade to some better sound. I play a michael kelly guitar. i don't know how popular micheal kelly is so yall may not have heard of it. i don't know what amp ill be playing on at my current church. i know all their stuff is pretty high quality though.

HairyScaryMark · 12-01-2010, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jamforchrist123

If you were going off the exact time that the quarter note is playing, then yes it'd be a different tempo than the music, but say if you're playing a song at 120bpm and you tap in 180bpm (the beat of what the dotted eigth would be compared to the regular eigth) then it will sound just like a dotted eighth, despite the "actual" time being 60 beats faster. I hope that makes sense.. haha

From what I can tell. it depends on the delay pedal you use. It isn't necessarily the same in all cases.

My Boss DD7 has a 'dotted eighth' setting called 800ms, which merely repeats the sound evenly after the initial time period being a dotted eighth (in comparison to the quarter notes you tap). You could get this exact same sound using a standard quarter note delay and tapping the tempo differently.

My LIne 6 DL4 however, has a Stereo Delay setting (where left channel is dotted eighths - if you tap an eighth note) and it does not just repeat evenly after that. it appears to repeat in relation to the tempo itself. Does this make sense to anyone?

DD7 does this
3/16 + 3/16 + 3/16 + 3/16
The result of this any subsequant repeats are not a dotted eighth from the beat.

DL4 does this
3/16 + (1/16) + 3/16 + (1/16) + 3/16 + (1/16)
The dotted eighth remains a dotted eighth away from the beat (to the best of my understanding and based on what ears tell me of what my pedals do).

More importantly, does this matter? For most purposes it doesn't. You typically hear the first repeat as the strongest and most important. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but when The Edge originally did this effect, I believe he used two delay units, each with a separate delay time as supposed to something like a recurring 1/4 + dotted 8th

ibanez_dude · 12-01-2010, 08:42 AM

Yeh, my understanding is that usually a 1/4 note subdivision just means that it creates echos at the interval you tapped at. So if you tapped at 120bpm, your echos will be at 120bpm. So if you're good enough, you could leave your delay set to 1/4, and you could tap in any rhythmic subdivision you want, your foot would just have to tap the dotted 1/8th, triplets, etc....

Bushman · 12-01-2010, 11:34 AM

I heard in a musician's summit (I think it was Michael Gungor or Ben Gowell's class) to quickly get a U2 type delay tap in a 3/4 beat to the 4/4's tempo and set the delay repeats up a bit. Don't know if that actually works, but sounded good to me at the class.. YMMV.

Gaetano Paul · 12-01-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushman

I heard in a musician's summit (I think it was Michael Gungor or Ben Gowell's class) to quickly get a U2 type delay tap in a 3/4 beat to the 4/4's tempo and set the delay repeats up a bit. Don't know if that actually works, but sounded good to me at the class.. YMMV.

Yes this is true and sure

lespaul59 · 12-06-2010, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawk5

Alright sweet thats what i needed to hear. thats what i had already heard but i needed some reassurance lol. i actually have a multi effect pedal now, and ive played with that on stage, but ill be honest im looking to up grade to some better sound. I play a michael kelly guitar. i don't know how popular micheal kelly is so yall may not have heard of it. i don't know what amp ill be playing on at my current church. i know all their stuff is pretty high quality though.

I own a Michael Kelly: Duce(ES-335 copy) and it's one of my favorite guitars I own. As far as single pedals go I only use Dunlop and MXR efx right now, which is a Wylde CryBaby, Wylde OD and a Black Label Chorus. For me aside from distortion and overdrive chorus is the efx I use most. Other EFX you might check out are reverb. phaser, flanger and maybe even something like a tremolo pedal. I think two of the best priced pedal you can get are the Boss: DS-1 Distortion($39.99) and the Boss: SD-1 Super Overdrive($59.99). I own both pedals and the DS-1 was one of my main pedals but it has gotten a little worn out. I really like the SD-1 also but I like the Wylde OD better. But at times I'll run my SD-1 insted of my Wylde OD, it just depend on which one sounds good to me at the moment.

boxman2000 · 12-10-2010, 04:08 AM

I would say a tube screamer, delay pedal with tap tempo and tuner would be fine to start with. Double delay is nice to have but not essential. As has been mentioned, a pedal with a dotted 8th setting such as a DD5 or DD7 is ideal (I prefer DD7 purely because the light flashes to the tempo, but I use the DD5 for dotted 8th).

My setup is for church rhythm and works very well - it is based (loosly) on the Hillsong setup.

For general driving rhythm I would tend to have the Jekyll & Hyde distortion on quite low with the TS-9 and the EQ, if I need that bit extra during a chorus I will use the overdrive on the J&H. You just need to find out what works for you really – but nothing will make up for talent at the end of the day.

As with anything though, if you don't have a good sounding guitar/amp to build your sound on you will find it hard to be satisfied with the end result.